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The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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Long COVID pretty much obliterated the career of a mentor of mine. She went from being a competitive athlete in her late sixties to a home-bound invalid in her early seventies. You know a health condition is grievous when it makes a mathematician give up lecturing.

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Why not both?

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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> The best way to not get long Covid is to not get Covid, and the best way to not get Covid is to be well vaccinated and boosted and have a good level of antibodies to stop the virus getting in.

I know people who got multiple jabs and have had Covid-19 several times already. These suggestions are useless.

> in those breakthrough cases in the vaccinated people, your chance of long Covid is further reduced perhaps by another 50 percent.

If it's reduced by only 50%, with Long Covid being so rare I'd rather take my chances and remain unvaccinated!

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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Long COVID pretty much obliterated the career of a mentor of mine. She went from being a competitive athlete in her late sixties to a home-bound invalid in her early seventies. You know a health condition is grievous when it makes a mathematician give up lecturing.

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She was a diver/swimmer and is also a mathematician, yes. I wish I had half her energy, lol.

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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There's a popular opinion I've seen on HN that "long Covid" isn't a real phenomenon but it's pretty easy to reject that out of hand. There have been several studies, including a recent quadruple blinded one (where participants, care providers, investigators and outcomes assessors are all blinded to treatment/control groups) that show some interventions have statistically significant benefits to treating it; https://w…

The intervention is Metformin during Covid onset?

For people who are overweight, it looks like. It makes one wonder if it would only work for them, or if long COVID affects them more.

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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There's a popular opinion I've seen on HN that "long Covid" isn't a real phenomenon but it's pretty easy to reject that out of hand. There have been several studies, including a recent quadruple blinded one (where participants, care providers, investigators and outcomes assessors are all blinded to treatment/control groups) that show some interventions have statistically significant benefits to treating it; https://w…

For real? Seems to me like the brain damage and stuff from the infection is pretty simple to understand so that'd be pretty real. From a sorta minimum idea thing that seems like the most solid and easy to understand long-term damage right? Easy to test too, I reckon. Why would people think that isn't real?

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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>And yet we know perfectly well that there were many people who were vaccinated who did get breakthrough infections and some of those have gone on to get long Covid, but we know that in those breakthrough cases in the vaccinated people, your chance of long Covid is further reduced perhaps by another 50 percent.

As far as I see, they aren't referencing a specific study. But they are clearly making a connection between your long covid chances and vaccination. Does anyone have a link off hand to this data?

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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post #10

There's a popular opinion I've seen on HN that "long Covid" isn't a real phenomenon but it's pretty easy to reject that out of hand. There have been several studies, including a recent quadruple blinded one (where participants, care providers, investigators and outcomes assessors are all blinded to treatment/control groups) that show some interventions have statistically significant benefits to treating it; https://w…

I think there are a couple of things going on: Long COVID is real, but I bet most people that think they have it don’t. On the other hand, I doubt long COVID is all that novel compared to what happens with other viruses as well. I think there’s some pushback because the media acts like long COVID is some terribly novel and huge thing, when neither are probably true. All that said I’m glad more research is happening o…

Agreed. I have a friend who has Myalgic Encephalomyelitis aka Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, which has destroyed her life, turning the most energetic person I knew into someone who cannot walk more than a block a day. Her ME was likely triggered by the H1N1 flu in 2009. It's too early to tell whether this is the same as long COVID, but it is certainly suggestive.

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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post #10

There's a popular opinion I've seen on HN that "long Covid" isn't a real phenomenon but it's pretty easy to reject that out of hand. There have been several studies, including a recent quadruple blinded one (where participants, care providers, investigators and outcomes assessors are all blinded to treatment/control groups) that show some interventions have statistically significant benefits to treating it; https://w…

I think there are a couple of things going on: Long COVID is real, but I bet most people that think they have it don’t. On the other hand, I doubt long COVID is all that novel compared to what happens with other viruses as well. I think there’s some pushback because the media acts like long COVID is some terribly novel and huge thing, when neither are probably true. All that said I’m glad more research is happening o…

Also, millions upon millions of people contracted COVID. Hence a higher number of long-COVID cases. Research into this is a very good thing so.

That the media is over selling it, sure they do. Heck, we had almost two straight days of life coverage of lionesse-turned-out-to-be-a-boar in Germany. At the same time there were elections in Spain, a vote on the justice system in Israel, among other things. Those two alone could have deserved some well researched articles and background pieces. But I digress...

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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What are the clinically significant differences between long covid and things like fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome that have been around for quite a while?

I don't appear to be the only one asking these questions.

https://www.jwatch.org/na56219/2023/06/15/long-covid-and-chr...

https://www.publichealth.columbia.edu/news/long-covid-really...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10117846/

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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There's a popular opinion I've seen on HN that "long Covid" isn't a real phenomenon but it's pretty easy to reject that out of hand. There have been several studies, including a recent quadruple blinded one (where participants, care providers, investigators and outcomes assessors are all blinded to treatment/control groups) that show some interventions have statistically significant benefits to treating it; https://w…

For real? Seems to me like the brain damage and stuff from the infection is pretty simple to understand so that'd be pretty real. From a sorta minimum idea thing that seems like the most solid and easy to understand long-term damage right? Easy to test too, I reckon. Why would people think that isn't real?

Because Long Covid is not a scientific term in the way most people use it.

I've had many family members refer to having long covid because they had a persistent stuffy nose for a few months. Prob virus related to some degree but the looseness of the language makes invites skepticism.

Also some people also love being very vocal about any possible pathology they might have as a political position. Just invites more skepticism.

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