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Signal walks the line between anarchism and pragmatism

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Re: Signal walks the line between anarchism and pragmatism

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I've been using Matrix (and element as a client) for a little while now for personal and business stuff - I even wrote some fun little bot to shitpost random memes on my behalf.

Anyone else using matrix actively for professional stuff? Any thing I may find later on that is a show stopper?

Re: Signal walks the line between anarchism and pragmatism

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I’d disagree with you on that last point. Some of us think the 2A is about private ownership of tanks.

The second amendment is all that is left of a philosophy about how the national defense should be done. Originally the intent was that there would be no standing army because it would be too dangerous to democracy. In cases of emergency the militia (armed citizens) would be called upon to defend the nation. It would make perfect sense to have all the necessities for fighting a defensive war in private hands.

Even second amendment supporting politicians don't want the public to have access to high powered sniper rifles and plastic explosives.

One thing that always amused me to death is how firearms are banned from the Republican convention.

Re: Signal walks the line between anarchism and pragmatism

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It's a problem across the spectrum. "Don't say gay" and the whole book banning business across the US come to mind. Is there legislation anywhere implementing "left wing censorship"?

Sylvia Garcia is a Democratic senator from Texas and she sponsored the EARN IT Act two of the times they tried to shove it down our throats. That would have forced sites to backdoor any encryption.

There has always been a (small) bipartisan coalition in favor of law enforcement-sponsored anti-encryption legislation, unfortunately. Senator Lindsey Graham has been a vocal sponsor of several bills recently, but he had no problem finding Democrats to co-sponsor them. We have not seen these bills go completely mainstream and get the full partisan treatment. https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/press/rep/releases/graham-c...

Re: Signal walks the line between anarchism and pragmatism

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Not to be Debbie downer but there’s been a cultural shift in the liberal establishment over the years away from protecting speech, even hateful speech to actively espousing and advocating for censorship. It’s clear that principles can shift over time and Wired is toeing the line.

It's not advocating censorship to call for platforms (& co) to combat hate speech. Can you link to anything that actually backs up that claim of yours?

It objectively is calling for censorship, irrespective of whether one considers it justified censorship

Re: Signal walks the line between anarchism and pragmatism

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Not to be Debbie downer but there’s been a cultural shift in the liberal establishment over the years away from protecting speech, even hateful speech to actively espousing and advocating for censorship. It’s clear that principles can shift over time and Wired is toeing the line.

It's a problem across the spectrum. "Don't say gay" and the whole book banning business across the US come to mind. Is there legislation anywhere implementing "left wing censorship"?

There's no need for legislation when you have the right businesses and institutes on your side

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/government-...

Re: Signal walks the line between anarchism and pragmatism

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I agree with you and the word “implicit” is crucial here. If the state is suspicious of you then they can come over, break in, tie you up, search all your stuff, and take anything they like home with them. It sounds infuriating but it’s what we need in order for the state to catch villains and the crucial part is they can only do it with a warrant . If a judge ordered you to unlock your phone and hand over all your m…

I consider technology to be an extension of mind. I'm not ok with the police literally cracking open my skull and probing my brain, not just because of the invasive torturous nature, but because it's an invasion of the very state that forms my existence. Similarly, the bits of my mind that I offload to other places.

So like, if you wrote a journal detailing a bunch of crimes and/or criminal motives, you don't think that journal should be admissable as evidence in a criminal proceeding? Nor do you think that a warrant should be capable of granting access to that journal for the purposes of a criminal investigation?

Re: Signal walks the line between anarchism and pragmatism

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I agree with you and the word “implicit” is crucial here. If the state is suspicious of you then they can come over, break in, tie you up, search all your stuff, and take anything they like home with them. It sounds infuriating but it’s what we need in order for the state to catch villains and the crucial part is they can only do it with a warrant . If a judge ordered you to unlock your phone and hand over all your m…

> If a judge ordered you to unlock your phone and hand over all your messages, you’d probably be sour but you should also be morally ok with complying. No. It is not my moral obligation to obey the orders of other human beings. Ever. If you want this to be a moral issue you must first prove that there is a moral basis for compliance and I've yet to hear one. Pointing a gun to my face and telling me what to do doesn't…

There doesn't really have to be a moral basis nor does there have to be consent. You can refuse, and you can choose to live outside of society. That might be very difficult, but you have the choice. For many, society doesn't provide any advantages and so they choose non-compliance and all the consequences that come with it.

Re: Signal walks the line between anarchism and pragmatism

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I've been using Matrix (and element as a client) for a little while now for personal and business stuff - I even wrote some fun little bot to shitpost random memes on my behalf. Anyone else using matrix actively for professional stuff? Any thing I may find later on that is a show stopper?

I believe parts of the French government are using Matrix for their communications [1].

I've been wanting to use Matrix more and more over IRC, but I've never really liked any of the Matrix clients. I think I'm just too stuck in my ways about my favorite IRC clients.

[1]: https://element.io/case-studies/tchap

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