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The Fall of Stack Overflow

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Re: The Fall of Stack Overflow

#71

"How to do A?" Comment: "You shouldn't do A, it's better to do B" Closed, duplicate of "How to do C". Yeah sure, in the beginning, there were many more basic questions (how to increase number by 1, how to get division remainder, how to check if file exists,...), and if you're coding in Perl, you can still find all the answers... if you're working in python, you'll find answers for python2, some for python3, some spec…

I found the people who took on Rust questions to be actively hostile on SO when I started learning Rust. The Reddit community was much better, so I’ve tended to hang out there for Rust q&a. Most of my time in the Stack Overflow world these days is mostly in the more specialized StackExchange sites. tex.se tends to be pretty good, as does latin.se japanese.se seems dedicated to stomping out anything that is remotely a translation question.

Re: The Fall of Stack Overflow

#73
post #6

I think the problem is google losing the fight with spammers. It's being a while for me that I have to put "stackoverflow" in the search query to avoid sites with scraped content

That's my guess too; I'm sure Google drives the overwhelming majority of SO traffic.

A few years ago, my programming-related queries would hit Stack Overflow as the first or second result. Now it's very frequently spammy garbage in the top 2-3 slots.

Re: The Fall of Stack Overflow

#74

I was promoted to one of those "mod" type people who reviews new answers, first posts, etc, a few years back. I can tell you that I quit in the last 6 months. All new answers are answers on questions from first time posters, answering questions that have good solid answers from 8+ years ago (mostly 10 years), and it is pretty obvious, they are just doing it to get points. The question/answer is not something that has…

Why was there such a heavy handed approach to moderation in the first place though? Why not let the community ask the same question over and over again, and let the answers naturally shift with the time?

I'm just not sure what value there was to have a team of people volunteer their time to making sure there were absolutely zero duplicated questions/answers? What problem is that solving? If anything, it is adding problems by not letting the content naturally evolve in time.

If people want to assess the quality of answers, it's better to have multiple data points, and SO could have invested those resources in algorithmically linking similar questions and making it easy to navigate by both answer reputation and time.

Along similarly lines, it seems best to tackle the people trying to game the system algorithmically as well - if content is word for word duplicate, that's a problem which can be solved by computers instead of people (similar text is a solved problem).

It seems the only use case for moderators on SO is for removing truly inappropriate content - it's wild to me that moderators were spending significant amounts of time actually removing technical questions and answers.

It reminds me a bit of reddit moderation, where reddit communities enforce these non-sensical rules and by extension require hugely heavy handed moderation to 'curate' their communities. Like, the headphones subreddit disallows pictures of headphones in boxes. Why? If the community is interested in headphones, what's the difference if it's a box or not? It's not like if you take it out of the box the headphones look different than any picture you can find on the internet.

Seems like many of the problems of moderation are artificial rules endlessly being enforced by real people which ends up just being pseudo 'make busy' work.

Re: The Fall of Stack Overflow

#75
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and it is pretty obvious, they are just doing it to get points Gamifying reputation was one of the worst things we've done. I was part of this in previous positions and after a while it became apparent that it brought out the worst in people. There are better ways of incentivizing usage rather than stupid internet points.

I'm not sure if up voting this comment is appropriate, but I wholeheartedly agree

Please don’t

Re: The Fall of Stack Overflow

#76
My main issue, with the main Stack Overflow site (rather than some of the other stack sites), is that I don't get answers to my questions, possibly because no-one knows the answer. If they did, then it's probably been asked before, and since I always look first, I've found the answer to the question that was asked, and so don't eve pose the question, though I might contribute to the answer I found in some way.

Re: The Fall of Stack Overflow

#77

"How to do A?" Comment: "You shouldn't do A, it's better to do B" Closed, duplicate of "How to do C". Yeah sure, in the beginning, there were many more basic questions (how to increase number by 1, how to get division remainder, how to check if file exists,...), and if you're coding in Perl, you can still find all the answers... if you're working in python, you'll find answers for python2, some for python3, some spec…

Bravo. This is the reason I deleted my account. My last post even specified "I am not asking about B,C, or D."

Re: The Fall of Stack Overflow

#78
I remember trying to learn front end development around 2013, was fascinated by responsive web design and twitter bootstrap. Asked some questions on that site, was mostly ridiculed for my amateur questions several times, never touched the site again and also never learned front end. So this is my story with that site.

Re: The Fall of Stack Overflow

#79

Where were these data sourced from? As far as I know, StackOverflow does not publicize internal analytics with such granularity. If these figures are real, are they leaked?

Users with over 25,000 reputation can see site analytics that include charts that look a lot like these. https://stackoverflow.com/help/privileges/site-analytics

Looking at that source, there's a pretty straightforward explanation of where the page views come from.

- Last month, Stack Overflow had ~142,575,642 visits.

- Last month, Google gave 127,896,508 visits to Stack Overflow

- Last month, Bing gave 7,491,274 visits to Stack Overflow

You could say that the Stack Overflow # of pageviews depends mainly on:

- How often people are searching Google/Bing for answer.

- How often Google/Bing rank Stack Overflow high enough for people to click into it.

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