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Byron Bay data breach victim told to pay Adidas, NBA $1.2M by US courts

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Re: Byron Bay data breach victim told to pay Adidas, NBA $1.2M by US courts

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post #37

So what do you do in a situation like this? I mean really? Total punisher mode, make other judges think twice and sacrifice yourself?

Recoup your $1.2M using the identities of everyone up and down the chain of this travesty.

Maybe do so across a sprinkling of (important) countries, so they get a taste of the international jurisdiction nightmare for themselves? ;)

Re: Byron Bay data breach victim told to pay Adidas, NBA $1.2M by US courts

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Situations like these keep bringing me back to the idea that important actions should require an actual, in person, human notary seal. Contract signings, online court service, title changes, etc should not be valid without an offline record examiner who affirms under threat of perjury that the parties involved are who they claim (or are claimed to be).

It’s entirely possible to do this digitally and have it working seamlessly.

In Denmark we have a thing called “MitID” (MyID) which is basically a government login and which you can use to sign and also login to all kinds of things that need to confirm your identity (e.g. Phone subscription, taxes, 3DS verification for Credit Card transactions, etc).

It’s essentially 2FA, works by the site sending a confirmation to an app on your phone that is behind PIN code. The analog version is a paper slip with 100 lookup codes.

Re: Byron Bay data breach victim told to pay Adidas, NBA $1.2M by US courts

#44
post #13

My brother in law had his identity stolen about 6 months ago. He went through the normal routine of cancelling everything, putting holds on everything, etc. He thought he was in the clear, until last week, he received a letter in the mail for a summons for several felonies, including fraud, in the state of Utah (he lives in PA). It is insane to me that PayPal, Venmo, VISA, etc, all can allow someone who isn't him to…

The only way this gets fixed is if enough people get put through the wringer through no fault of their own and they finally start demanding politicians to do something about it.

The politicians will probably only care when they themselves become the victims.

Re: Byron Bay data breach victim told to pay Adidas, NBA $1.2M by US courts

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post #3

This is absurd. This is just as much as indictment of ridiculous American courts as it is the corporations prosecuting such a case. What is happening in that clown country that a civil case against a person who wasn't even involved in the infraction can be judged liable when they are not even present to defend themselves? America is a bully nation.

I don’t understand what the companies hope to gain out of this aside from loads of bad publicity?

I expect they want a judgement for a specific damage, then when they can’t collect they have insurance to cover that specific amount. Without a judgement for an amount, their insurance would pay out a lesser amount.

Re: Byron Bay data breach victim told to pay Adidas, NBA $1.2M by US courts

#46
post #4

Situations like these keep bringing me back to the idea that important actions should require an actual, in person, human notary seal. Contract signings, online court service, title changes, etc should not be valid without an offline record examiner who affirms under threat of perjury that the parties involved are who they claim (or are claimed to be).

Some countries/jurisdictions do exactly that, and trust me, it's a massive pain in the ass. Would you really want to visit a notary just to set up an eBay account? Because that's what you're proposing. The existing system isn't foolproof but, by and large, it works perfectly well. If the transactions in TFA truly were fraudulent, no court is going to hold her liable. The bigger problem here is a US court being happy…

> isn't foolproof but [...] it works perfectly well

You're not using those words correctly.

Re: Byron Bay data breach victim told to pay Adidas, NBA $1.2M by US courts

#47
post #13

My brother in law had his identity stolen about 6 months ago. He went through the normal routine of cancelling everything, putting holds on everything, etc. He thought he was in the clear, until last week, he received a letter in the mail for a summons for several felonies, including fraud, in the state of Utah (he lives in PA). It is insane to me that PayPal, Venmo, VISA, etc, all can allow someone who isn't him to…

He's lucky he found out about the summons, because it's very common to commit a traffic infraction, get pulled over and then find yourself facedown at gunpoint when the cop finds out you have several warrants for crimes you never committed. And depending on your ethnicity it could certainly lead to your untimely demise by police if you got belligerent about it.

> very common

Are there statistics on this somewhere?

Re: Byron Bay data breach victim told to pay Adidas, NBA $1.2M by US courts

#48
post #3

This is absurd. This is just as much as indictment of ridiculous American courts as it is the corporations prosecuting such a case. What is happening in that clown country that a civil case against a person who wasn't even involved in the infraction can be judged liable when they are not even present to defend themselves? America is a bully nation.

In the US property rights trump most other considerations, and courts are often biased in favor of property owners. Drivers frequently ignore cyclists and pedestrians, because they feel the road belongs to them, and to some extent the larger and fancier the vehicle the more carelessly they drive. Commercial drivers, who typically don't own the vehicle but can easily lose their commercial driving license, tend to be much more considerate of other road users.

(Of course I am being slightly hyperbolic here; deal with it.)

Re: Byron Bay data breach victim told to pay Adidas, NBA $1.2M by US courts

#49

"In both cases, Adidas and the NBA were given leave by the courts to run the cases ex parte — without a requirement for all parties in the case to be present. " Wait, what? I thought habeas corpus was a thing in the US?

Habeas corpus only applies to criminal cases, and it's about the state having to justify its detention of an arrested person. You can be tried and convicted in absentia although this is quite unusual. But you see a few murder cases prosecuted against fugitives every year if the evidence is strong enough.
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