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Re: Government URLs that don't end in .gov

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

vladharbuz wrote: post #185
pc86 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Had another country had a primary role in inventing the internet, they would probably have it (or more likely, the US would be .gov.us and everyone else would be whatever they are today).

I don’t understand this argument. Are you saying the internet should be organised in a way that benefits the US, even if it is confusing for people in other countries? By your reasoning, it would make sense for .com to be US-exclusive because the US had a primary role in inventing the internet. Let’s pause to ask ourselves “what is an actually good system?” instead of “how can we justify US privilege?”.

The question isn't really "is this a good system", it's "is this a bad enough system that it's worth spending billions of dollars to change".

Re: Government URLs that don't end in .gov

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Post by giobox »

chipsa wrote: post #173
giobox wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While its true there is still a relationship back to ICANN for ccTLDs, politically it would be a shitstorm of epic proportions if the US/ICANN interfered in the administration of ccTLDs - most countries (understandably!) see their ccTLD as an increasingly sovereign thing that is naturally owned by the State, not the registrars or domain name registration system. While it might be technically possible for ICANN to mak…

ICANN hasn't even managed to get rid of the .SU ccTLD.

Still ~100,000 .su domains live supposedly.

Re: Government URLs that don't end in .gov

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Post by ehPReth »

bob-09 wrote: post #189
ehPReth wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to be run by a third-party company that the government latched on to for some reason: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ID.me

Nothing out of the ordinary for individual government departments to turn to private contractors when the GSA doesn't offer them a service they need when they need it. GSA has since developed login.gov, but there hasn't been a mandate that other agencies have to use it over third-parties.

Ah I see! Hope there's one soon

Re: Government URLs that don't end in .gov

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Post by Zetice »

msm_ wrote: post #178
Zetice wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m surprised how many people here aren’t aware of this.

I'm aware of this. I'm just slightly offended by the title. None of my government's URLs end in a .gov. By not acknowledging this, the title ignores my country's existence. It's like I wrote a blog post "Government URLs that don't end in .gov.pl")

Such is the US's reward for building out the nascent infrastructure of the early Internet.

Also, this is a US centric site run by a US based company. The "American" part is implied unless explicitly stated otherwise.

Re: Government URLs that don't end in .gov

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Post by vladharbuz »

pc86 wrote: post #190
vladharbuz wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand this argument. Are you saying the internet should be organised in a way that benefits the US, even if it is confusing for people in other countries? By your reasoning, it would make sense for .com to be US-exclusive because the US had a primary role in inventing the internet. Let’s pause to ask ourselves “what is an actually good system?” instead of “how can we justify US privilege?”.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just saying that's what led to where we are today.

That’s fair, sorry, I read too much into what you were saying!

Re: Government URLs that don't end in .gov

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Post by TRiG_Ireland »

CSMastermind wrote: post #95
bombcar wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

even usps.gov just redirects to usps.com which I feel is a bit of a loss. Lots of small towns have dot coms when they could have dot gov.

It does feel like the redirect should go the other way around.

Even weirder, https://anpost.ie redirects to https://www.anpost.com/

So apparently the Irish Post Office wants to be seen as an international player?

Re: Government URLs that don't end in .gov

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Post by TRiG_Ireland »

captn3m0 wrote: post #66

Interesting related thing from India: the official TLDs as per the guidelines are .gov.in and .nic.in, and both are registered as a public suffix (legacy, from when the list was created). However the government created a separate Section 8 company called Digital India corporation that runs a separate group of websites for Citizen Outreach called MyGov, which runs a separate subdomain for these: mygov.in. Unfortunatel…

I'm seeing only the one tweet, not the intended thread. Is this another artefact of Twitter being broken?

Re: Government URLs that don't end in .gov

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Post by captn3m0 »

TRiG_Ireland wrote: post #197
captn3m0 wrote: post #66

Interesting related thing from India: the official TLDs as per the guidelines are .gov.in and .nic.in, and both are registered as a public suffix (legacy, from when the list was created). However the government created a separate Section 8 company called Digital India corporation that runs a separate group of websites for Citizen Outreach called MyGov, which runs a separate subdomain for these: mygov.in. Unfortunatel…

I'm seeing only the one tweet, not the intended thread. Is this another artefact of Twitter being broken?

Twitter no longer seems to render threads without login

Re: Government URLs that don't end in .gov

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Post by dang »

dQw4w9WgXcQ wrote: post #140
jomar wrote: post #134

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That was introduced in 1985, almost 40 years ago. For how many decades is this going to be a reasonable argument? In 100 years, will it still be reasonable for the USA to say "we built the thing, so it is appropriate for us to continue to be the default country in domain names. The rest of you must use your ccTLDs, but we remain special." In 200 years? The only non-pathetic option is for the United States to transiti…

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Re: Government URLs that don't end in .gov

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Post by syncsynchalt »

rootusrootus wrote: post #127
syncsynchalt wrote: post #98

The most egregious of these to me is moneyfactory.com (the Bureau of Engraving & Printing). It reads as very low-rent considering it's the printing press of the US Dollar. If they reached out to me I'd think it was a weak scam.

The Bureau of Engraving and Printing just produces paper. Pretty paper that looks a lot like US dollars, but isn't in fact US dollars until the Federal Reserve Bank takes possession and issues it. In any case, moneyfactory.com is just a redirect to bep.gov, so I'm not sure what the big deal is. The average person's interaction with the BEP, aside from handling paper money, is probably at their gift shop. Having a cut…

It redirects to bep.gov now, but a decade+ ago it was their preferred URL.

You can still find the URL in older press releases on treasury.gov, other US government sites, and older news sites, and all I meant is that it reads very a little naïve and "off brand" to me these as a modern reader:

  https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/20035137475911137 
  https://money.cnn.com/2003/09/16/pf/banking/marketing_new_money/index.htm
  https://www.dailynebraskan.com/local-businesses-prepare-for-new-20-bill/article_6a2ea77f-60e4-52aa-8217-731a6cdf9114.html
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