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All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by stevenjgarner »

hollandheese wrote: post #423
stevenjgarner wrote: post #386

I'm all for making education more accessible, but why does it have to be one extreme or the other (free or tuition) - if taxpayers are making education free, can't we levy a requirement for the graduate to at least volunteer Peace Corps style? Perhaps the term of volunteering could be inversely proportional to their grade such that someone who drops out early has to volunteer for a longer period of time.

Do you plan to ask this of everyone who goes through K-12?

My comment was targeted at a tertiary education post. That being said, some of my children went to an expensive private K-12 school where the tuition HAD to be supplemented with volunteering at the school (or elsewhere). I felt it was a valuable lesson for all involved. Nothing is free.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by stevenjgarner »

nxx788 wrote: post #421
stevenjgarner wrote: post #386

I'm all for making education more accessible, but why does it have to be one extreme or the other (free or tuition) - if taxpayers are making education free, can't we levy a requirement for the graduate to at least volunteer Peace Corps style? Perhaps the term of volunteering could be inversely proportional to their grade such that someone who drops out early has to volunteer for a longer period of time.

Then it's not free. Opportunity cost is real. I don't ask my kid to volunteer because he got a chicken pox vaccine, he just gets to not have chicken pox for free. And that's ok. We can choose to make the next generations lives better than ours, even if we gain no material benefit ourselves. (Though I'd argue that an educated youth does materially benefit the populace.)

Nothing is free. It is estimated that state and local governments spend 9 percent of state and local direct general spending on higher education [1]. One could argue that the opportunity cost of higher education to taxpayers is 9% of their work life.

[1] https://www.urban.org/policy-centers/cross-center-initiative...

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by skeaker »

ren_engineer wrote: post #369
01100011 wrote: post #222

Can I just give my 17 year old up for adoption then? Just curious...

this, almost inevitable this will be abused. Way too much money at stake for it not to be, I've heard plenty of stories of rich people who bought houses in certain zip codes so their kids get preferential treatment

And more power to those who abuse it since college should certainly be free for everyone anyways.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by Xorakios »

blululu wrote: post #449
slavboj wrote: post #426

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is this meme that Prop 13 is responsible for everything bad in California because of course we could pay for anything if we had more money. In reality the CA budget has grown faster than inflation for decades. https://www.statista.com/statistics/313176/california-state-...

I’ve seen people point to prop 13 as a cause of the budget deficits. Not sure how much any of this goes beyond hearsay, but it is much harder to run a deficit when your tax base is decentralized and fixed. The core idea of prop 13 was to cut income and let spending figure itself out separately. The widening budget deficits in CA happen in the aftermath but maybe that was just the consequence of the same fiscal irresp…

Writing as someone who actually live and voted in California in 1978, the core idea was that seniors were being forced to sell their homes because real estate values and taxes were rising faster than their fixed incomes could support.

The Jarvis Foundation promoted it as a cost containment measure after the measure had been qualified for the ballot.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

jstarfish wrote: post #556
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #529

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It is amazing how many people complain about "kids these days" while every measurable statistics shows that their generstion was much worse.

> It is amazing how many people complain about "kids these days" while every measurable statistics shows that their generstion was much worse. > drink less alcohol, commit less crime, get teenage pregnant less often Stats lie. Their doctors give them drugs way more fun than alcohol, all of their crimes are unattributable to them because they're being committed in a virtual world where there is no accountability (it's…

> Number of school shootings only ever increases

Wow, so when kids get shot, it's their fault too? Holy cow, this is like the definition of victim blaming.. Why do you hate the younger generation?

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by actionfromafar »

User23 wrote: post #536
watwut wrote: post #486

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The university does not need to be whole separated city nor include amusement park and catering. It can be an institution integrated into a city.

Supposing that’s true for the sake of argument: Where?

Take a random hotel and make a uni out of it?

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by _8j50 »

dukeyukey wrote: post #518
_8j50 wrote: post #478

Why is California uniquely... nice and compassionate to it's people? It's not liberalism because new england is probably even more liberal? Is it the economy? The weather?

More than half of US states already do something like this, including 5/6 New England states (Vermont is the one that doesn't).

Didn't know, i just keep seeing them pass laws like this.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by User23 »

actionfromafar wrote: post #566
User23 wrote: post #536

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Supposing that’s true for the sake of argument: Where?

Take a random hotel and make a uni out of it?

That doesn’t sound like it’s going to attract quality faculty.

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Post by themitigating »

slashdev wrote: post #555
themitigating wrote: post #547

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Behind the rest of the world how? Technology? Would you say Native Americans were behind? They had a thriving society.

In technology, economy, health, longevity, and general well being. Yes, way behind.

"technology, economy"

That's subjective. Maybe happiness is the most important aspect of a society

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by refurb »

superchroma wrote: post #530
refurb wrote: post #495

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California has not effectively deployed various progressive policies Oh yes it has. Mass release of violent criminals during Covid. Repeat offenders being released even for violent crimes. They are finally figuring out that these are the exact people who cause so many crimes. Shocking!

These are acts that are not aligned with the topic of reformation of prisoners. Critique of claimed progressive acts (acts done by self proclaimed progressives vs those acts aligned with formalized progressive ideology) is irrelevant. If you just want to dump rhetoric, you can make a new submission for that.

You don't think there are reform efforts for these released prisoners? There are.
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