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All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by blululu »

IOT_Apprentice wrote: post #483
blululu wrote: post #449

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve seen people point to prop 13 as a cause of the budget deficits. Not sure how much any of this goes beyond hearsay, but it is much harder to run a deficit when your tax base is decentralized and fixed. The core idea of prop 13 was to cut income and let spending figure itself out separately. The widening budget deficits in CA happen in the aftermath but maybe that was just the consequence of the same fiscal irresp…

The cut was to benefit landlords, especially those who owned apartment complexes.

The majority of voters were homeowners back then. It was created and passed to benefit homeowners and preserve existing communities. But the bigger issue is that there was a flavor of magical thinking among conservatives that cutting taxes would cut spending (starve the beast). Naturally one proved more popular than the other with the electorate.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by hermannj314 »

Any links to the bill?

For many, foster care is a temporary program with an agency directive at reunification of the family.

I was a foster parent and one kid was briefly in the system due to a clerical issue where the father was not awarded custody after the mother was arrested.

Would that 14 day clerical issue now be awarded with a free education? Cause that system can be easily gamed.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by evandale »

slashdev wrote: post #363
evandale wrote: post #309

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Why don't you name the pieces of facts that are missing then so the parent can respond to it? You keep making personal attacks and asking if the parent is employed by the state of Florida. What does their employment situation have to do with anything?

That was a different person, although your point is valid for the other person.

Ahh, I honestly don't pay attention to usernames. I replied to someone who is defending your attacker and making the same low effort quips so I assume they have no problem with the bizarre employment question or they would have flagged the comment or called it out for what it is.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by slashdev »

snotrockets wrote: post #496
slashdev wrote: post #358

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By that logic, African-Americans also benefit from that economy, and ironically the gains made from slavery.

Not as much as white people did, and still do. PS your terminology shows your biases.

I’m being called biased by a user with the name snot rocket. What’s wrong with my terminology?

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by andrekandre »

slt2021 wrote: post #493
andrekandre wrote: post #417

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> Problem with free tuitition is it only incentivizes cash grab from educational institutions. that assumes that private schools would be the beneficiaries no? my understanding is that "free college" usually applies to public institutions (state college/universities)...?

State bureaucrats will rush and charter gazillion piss poor grade universities to “meet increased demand” - what difference that would make? Problem is with American University itself, its overbloated mandate, abysmal efficiency, and dysfunctional bureacracy that has very little to do with actual education and its outcomes

  > Problem is with American University itself, its overbloated mandate, abysmal efficiency, and dysfunctional bureacracy that has very little to do with actual education and its outcomes
was it always like this though?

from what i've heard it didn't always used to be like that....

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by User23 »

watwut wrote: post #486
User23 wrote: post #473

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Where exactly would you propose building them? A competitive university is going to require around 2,000 acres of land. Where are you going to find that in today's California? No doubt there is plenty of open space left, but it's not in very desirable areas.

The university does not need to be whole separated city nor include amusement park and catering. It can be an institution integrated into a city.

Supposing that’s true for the sake of argument: Where?

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Post by jncfhnb »

phpisthebest wrote: post #312
jncfhnb wrote: post #269

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Well let me also tell you that proactively playing the victim and daring people to challenge you is cringey and gross. I don’t really like our democratic republic setup personally. I would prefer a popular vote based democracy for presidential elections with federal holiday voting and no ID requirements. Same for city elections although the problems on that scale are different.

Well good news, The local elections in San Fran I believe are already your dream.. How is that working out? I really like our electoral college system, believe we need stronger ID requirements to vote, and believe we need to repeal the 17th amendment returning more power to the states, removing it from the federal government. I will agree with one of your reforms, that of a voting holiday, though i would prefer inste…

Would you like the electoral college if something silly happened like Texas splitting into a Dallas dominated half and a non Dallas dominated half?

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by KomoD »

tarr11 wrote: post #8
starside wrote: post #2

I think this is a good idea. That is the first time in a long time I have thought "wow, the state is doing something useful with my tax dollars"

also free lunches in schools https://www.nycfoodpolicy.org/states-that-have-passed-univer...

Children in the US had/have to pay for food in school?

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by pythonaut_16 »

thsksbd wrote: post #431
999900000999 wrote: post #81

Now in a better world we'd drop a word from this sentence and make it free for all state residents. That's closer to what it used to be. Realistically this doesn't change much since it's extremely unlikely a foster kid wouldn't qualify for a full ride prior to this. The only people who really get screwed are middle class families who make too much to qualify for aid, but can't really afford to pay for school.

In Georgia, if you have and maintain a B average its free. I don't agree its fair, though, for the blue collar folks or the people who aren't bright enough to go to college to have to subsidize it. Or in Georgia's case, those with a gambling problem.

Do blue collar workers require healthcare from college educated people? Do they benefit when American industry is competitive on in the international marketplace?

We shouldn’t be leaving people behind but the idea is that we all benefit from an educated workforce.

There’s plenty of arguments to be made over the details but let’s not miss the big picture here.

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