Why South Africa Is on the Brink of Chaos

Post by benj111 » Mon, Jul 24, 2023, 12:48 PM UTC

ashwagary wrote: post #127

benj111 wrote: post #94

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Very true. Or do they need to develop their own concept of the state, or at the risk of sounding imperialistic, do they need to learn the concept of the nation state? Broadly speaking I would say having structures larger than a tribe is a net benefit. Whatever form that may take.

>Or do they need to develop their own concept of the state, or at the risk of sounding imperialistic, do they need to learn the concept of the nation state? Western governments need to stop assassinating leaders and toppling democratically elected governments every few years for that to happen. That hasnt stopped and it has a chilling effect, which is the purpose.

Post by rejectfinite » Mon, Jul 24, 2023, 3:54 PM UTC

ashwagary wrote: post #124

houseatrielah wrote: post #20

Serpentza, a YouTuber from South Africa, did a video on this recently. The money that should have been spent on infrastructure was squandered and the possibility of the electric grid collapsing is real. He posted a screenshot from an app that his parents deal with; it was 12 hours of blackouts, 12 hours of power. Plus the currency is worthless and 50% unemployment leads to very high crime levels. https://www.youtube.…

After viewing dozens of his videos, I get the impression Serpentza is a paid propagandist. Take his claims with a heap of skepticism.

Post by u4918 » Wed, Jul 26, 2023, 2:12 PM UTC

dotancohen wrote: post #89

letrowekwel wrote: post #61

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IMO the main problem is the arbitrary way borders were drawn in Africa by colonialists. Too many ethnicities that didn't get along very well suddenly shared a common state, while others were split between many countries. When even much richer and educated areas have problems with multiculturalism of much smaller scale (the Balkans, Spain, Belgium for example), it's not surprising that countries like DR Congo with ove…

> Highly successful multicultural countries appear to be an exception, rather than a norm. Them why is this "ideal" of multiculturalism so heavily pushed in media and government action? I personally speak four languages conversationally and from my familiarity, I cannot imagine even these similar cultures agreeing on enough basic values to form a stable society. How could dozens of cultures with different values and…

Post by check98 » Mon, Jul 31, 2023, 8:47 AM UTC

ashwagary wrote: post #126

alephnerd wrote: post #82

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Yep. I meant at a national level there isn't a real alternative.

The EFF seems to be changing that slowly.

Post by check89 » Wed, Aug 02, 2023, 10:01 PM UTC

ashwagary wrote: post #138

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The Communists? I guess mass famine is an alternative.

If there is any famine, it will be thanks to western interference aka obstruction. Luckily for SA, in the reality of a declining west, they will probably get Chinese assistance instead of being isolated.