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Re: Young people are flocking to astrology

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While I agree that astrology is complete nonsense, you're not likely to win many people over when you treat stereotyping (which you've described here) and racism as equivalent.

I don’t think astrology is stereotyping, it’s completely made up, not just an oversimplification or over generalization.

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Re: Young people are flocking to astrology

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Apparently nobody got my election humour! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidentia...

> humour Not when you spell it like that :-)

your penance now is to go to boston harbor and drop some tea-bags there.

Re: Young people are flocking to astrology

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post #164

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As the saying goes, “all models are wrong, some models are useful” While the astrology “model” is obviously wrong, it must have been useful to someone at sometime for it to have gained such a popularity. Like the “flat earth model” is actually extremely useful if you don’t intend (can’t) travel significant distances - gives you a coordinate system, maps and ways to predict where you’re going to be tomorrow if you tra…

Yeah, in the end ask about your star sign is as consequential as asking which team is your favourite. It can be a fun conversation starter, but if you make your life out of that, then it gets ridiculous

It's, at best, a conversation starter. Hofstadter in his Metamagical Themas had a chapter on how the predictions are worded specifically to be vague and feel good so that any of them could apply to any one.

Taken more seriously, they have serious social effects. e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangala_Dosha

I expect the interest in "new age" religions or quasi-religious practices to go up as traditional religions move out of societies. My experience is that there is a part of the human being that requires religion and spirituality and they will find outlets to satiate their needs.

Re: Young people are flocking to astrology

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post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree that astrology is complete nonsense, you're not likely to win many people over when you treat stereotyping (which you've described here) and racism as equivalent.

I don’t think astrology is stereotyping, it’s completely made up, not just an oversimplification or over generalization.

Maybe we're getting into the unproductive game of definitions, but perhaps stereotyping is still stereotyping when the categories are completely made up.

After all, stereotyping implies incorrect categories. Otherwise it would be called classification.

Re: Young people are flocking to astrology

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Of the atheist STEM postgrad degree people I know that love to talk about astrology/tarot, they usually retreat to this type to defence: it's a useful tool for introspection. Sure. But then if I ask them to admit that believing in it is unscientific, the response is something along the lines of "well it could be true". They know there's no evidence for it, but they're probably afraid of offending close friends that a…

Many human experiences are better understood by means that are not scientific. Life is full of aesthetic, moral, spiritual, and even unanswerable questions. Science is incredible and beautiful and profound - but it's not everything. I can't remember what TV show I heard this on, but I like it; "the true sweetness of wine is... but one flavor." (ETA: The show was Marco Polo.)

How do you know that you're actually "understanding" these experiences and not just making up whatever confirms your preconceptions?

Re: Young people are flocking to astrology

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post #113

My girlfriend is in the middle of her PhD program and is very intelligent but she's really into this stuff. She makes comments about it in public and I cringe. But the worst part is that half my female friends and all my gay friends love astrology. It's very weird.

> My girlfriend is in the middle of her PhD program Just like in any occupation, you can be good at your job, but completely bananas outside of it.

I was having a conversation with a friend at work about a conspiracy theory loving colleague.

I asked if it's possible to be good at your job while believing in far out stuff.

My friend said "seems like it". But I have a feeling the mental baggage that comes from wacky beliefs is going to affect other aspects of life and work in a negative way. But that's just my opinion.

Re: Young people are flocking to astrology

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post #164

I had an argument with a girl the other day who was adamant she wanted to know my star sign. I said "you tell me" and after 10 guesses I finally told her. She then went on to tell me what I must like etc - most of which was complete bollocks obviously. I told her her beliefs were akin to racism. Just because of when I was born she thought it was acceptable not to bother to treat me as an individual but as automatical…

As the saying goes, “all models are wrong, some models are useful” While the astrology “model” is obviously wrong, it must have been useful to someone at sometime for it to have gained such a popularity. Like the “flat earth model” is actually extremely useful if you don’t intend (can’t) travel significant distances - gives you a coordinate system, maps and ways to predict where you’re going to be tomorrow if you tra…

It is an useful filter to reduce the pool of eligible candidates when dating, even if it is random.

It should also be seen in context. Certain celestial bodies (moon and the sun) have a massive impact on your life on earth. It is easy to see why people would interpolate this to other celestial bodies.

Re: Young people are flocking to astrology

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I had an argument with a girl the other day who was adamant she wanted to know my star sign. I said "you tell me" and after 10 guesses I finally told her. She then went on to tell me what I must like etc - most of which was complete bollocks obviously. I told her her beliefs were akin to racism. Just because of when I was born she thought it was acceptable not to bother to treat me as an individual but as automatical…

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Re: Young people are flocking to astrology

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Much like nprateem’s story i have refused to tell people my star sign before and it has resulted in uncomfortable situations.

They think it’s fun or maybe even “pophetic” and I think it’s a dangerous fantasy that most definitely should not guide life decisions.

But even if i protest these beliefs in a passive way by politely declining to engage, it ends up in heated arguments.

Re: Young people are flocking to astrology

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I had an argument with a girl the other day who was adamant she wanted to know my star sign. I said "you tell me" and after 10 guesses I finally told her. She then went on to tell me what I must like etc - most of which was complete bollocks obviously. I told her her beliefs were akin to racism. Just because of when I was born she thought it was acceptable not to bother to treat me as an individual but as automatical…

I blatantly lie. Then when they tell me what I should like, tell them it was a lie and say a different one, also fake.
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