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Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by paddim8 »

6uhrmittag wrote: post #163

Sorry but the landing page is super annoying. Everything gives the impression of being clickable and not even half of it is. Then I click on "crazy fast loading times" and a slow popups overlay appears.. the slider and the animations are feel deliberately annoying - slow slide.. when a slide is in the center it stops.. takes a deep breath and then is beeing reminded that it has to load it's three arms and bubbles...…

The website is horribly over-engineered and makes it look like a crypto scam. Such a shame

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by JSavageOne »

commoner wrote: post #221
JSavageOne wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're completely misrepresenting my quote by cutting off the "and sell it" at the end, that's incredibly disingenuous. MIT license restrict commercialization. Is the MIT license not open source then?

The MIT License does not restrict commercialization aside from requiring attribution. In fact, the text of the license includes the phrase "without restriction": > Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, me…

Ok I stand corrected on the MIT license, thanks for the explanation. I wonder why so many on HN criticize it then, seems reasonable to me.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by jitl »

tablet wrote: post #247
jitl wrote: post #5

(I work at Notion) The Anytype model is really cool - in a way, they’ve rebuilt Lotus Notes with 21st century E2E encrypted protocols and technology. They’ve built a really solid personal knowledge app with many of Notion’s features - and some clear improvements over Notion. However they also demonstrate the complexity and tradeoffs of the E2E approach. Anytype has been a work-in-progress since at least 2019. Their d…

It would be interesting what you can say about http://fibery.io ?

I tried Fibery when it came out and clicked around some of the newer demos linked from the homepage a few weeks ago, so I’m not super knowledgeable, although I do read the email newsletter sometimes.

I really like Fibery’s plainspoken marketing, but it’s not for everyone. They’ve toned it down a bit on the homepage to be more “professional” now which is a good sign.

I think Fibery’s UX is too complicated for most people. As a programmer I get all the data modeling stuff, but there’s still a lot of complexity in just the UI that I find surprising. Notion gets a lot of feedback that it’s “overwhelming” and I feel the same in Fibery. My impression is that the up-front cost to figure things out in Fibery is still a challenging barrier for the product.

I’m not sure how good Fibery is for writing or on mobile, or if it has any local cache for offline use.

I’m really happy that everyone at Fibery made it through the Ukraine war okay so far.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by number6 »

sharipova wrote: post #253
jrm4 wrote: post #220

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If you care to answer then -- what is the thing that you provide that I must pay for? As in, if I don't give you money, then I don't get ....

You can use anytype for free if you use your own resources (storage, backup). There is an option to selfhost, or just use locally with local sync. You can also become a member of our association and it’s membership based, it will give you backup (if you don’t want to handle it yourself) and some things on top for those who want their spaces to be discoverable in our network. If you use privately for your team/org you…

Then, I guess, the problem is, that it sounds too good to be true

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by ph1lw »

I had been using Anytype for some time but a big disadvantage is it requires a standalone app = Not possible on a corporate laptop. What I use is VSCode with Foam - a colleague uses Dendron. Has the advantage that I can also use GitHub Copilot or local LLMs for autocompletion. Imho the combo is better for pure writing and building quick connections between documents

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by MadaboutDana »

Interesting to read about AnyType's supposedly poor import of MD files – I imported a folder of MD files (from one of my large Obsidian repositories) with no problems whatsoever, at (very) impressive speed. So not quite sure what's going on there. In short: works for me ;-)

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by blacklightpy »

Kerrick wrote: post #127
pronkin wrote: post #114

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The way we crafted it is not clear. Our idea is straightforward: if you want to use the software, you can do so for free, whether for personal use or within an organization. However, if you aim to sell it for profit, you need to contribute to its creation in some way; this is why permission is required. At least, that's the case at this early stage.

That means it's zero-cost and source available, not open source. As it's your software that's your choice, but please don't abuse the term "open source" to describe it. It's no more "open source" than, say, DaVinci Resolve is.

> It's no more "open source" than, say, DaVinci Resolve is.

DaVinci Resolve is not source available. Anytype does not restrict you from forking the code as long as it is non-commercial. And it also lets you fork the code for commercial use, if you take their permission.

So it is simply a non-commercial open source license, with permission required for commercial use. Sure, not OSI Approved License™, but certainly "open source". If this was not "open source", neither would be GNU GPL, because it isn't permissive enough.

This is no different from Qt's dual license except that GPL allows commercial use too. Or, like Creative Commons NC licenses, but for software.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by blacklightpy »

jasonlotito wrote: post #82
pronkin wrote: post #62

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Co-founder of anytype is here. The most of are repos are fully open-source. We have our philosophy regarding open source here https://blog.anytype.io/our-open-philosophy/ Happy to discuss concerns regarding our approach.

I was going to come here and post about how this is exactly what I've been looking for, but then I read this. So, my kneejerk reaction to this deceptive use of open source is to just say "no" and move on. However, I read through your philosphy, and I have a question. > considering the substantial R&D resources required for the application layer, we believe that businesses and networks utilizing our software for comme…

I don't see the problem with using Anytype License instead of AGPL. AGPL allows commercial use as long as the source code is provided, while Anytype disallows commercial use. Other than that it is the same, and is "open source" regardless. As in, OSI doesn't trademark "open source".

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by daniel_riel »

blacklightpy wrote: post #278
Kerrick wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That means it's zero-cost and source available, not open source. As it's your software that's your choice, but please don't abuse the term "open source" to describe it. It's no more "open source" than, say, DaVinci Resolve is.

> It's no more "open source" than, say, DaVinci Resolve is. DaVinci Resolve is not source available. Anytype does not restrict you from forking the code as long as it is non-commercial. And it also lets you fork the code for commercial use, if you take their permission. So it is simply a non-commercial open source license, with permission required for commercial use. Sure, not OSI Approved License™, but certainly "op…

Amen!

Open-Source is a generic term. It's the opposite of "closed-source".

The OSI is on the record on this: https://opensource.org/pressreleases/certified-open-source.p...

The only people who want to push the whole "The OSI's version of Free Software" defines "open-source" rather than "OSI Approved License™" are the Anti-Property GPL folks that never liked the term "open source" anyway, the trolls that want to force other people to work for free, and the people at the OSI

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