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All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Okay, but this logic is explicitly filtered through class in the US context. Some of the most antisocial members of our society are CEOs, politicians, and similar leaders. The damage they inflict on society often far exceeds that by individual acts of violence, fraud, thievery etc. Think about what has been wrought by Sacklers, the people running 3M, or those who led the country into war premised on lies. Indeed, you…

>>>San Francisco was a lovely city until landlords and real estate speculators turned it into a casino for gambling on housing and office space. before I even begin to address your others points, many I probably agree with we need to stop with this gas lighting narrative. landlords and real estate speculators are not the villains of the San Francisco of the story. The city government (and the larger state government)…

The city government is controlled by the land owning elite.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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> Too bad for my sister who had a masters and is making $35k as a teacher in Tennessee which is barely more than minimum wage. This is the real crime.

It’s always depressing when we talk about the latest developments in minimum wage and how a day one burger flipper at an In and Out in California is making just as much as someone with 6 years of schooling and responsibility for teaching the next generation. Oh and that’s not even considering how much of her own $$$ is needed to successfully supply a classroom and how barely any is tax deductible. Her experiences alm…

Who are you voting for that will raise wages for teachers? Or are you looking to cut wages for burger flippers.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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This is what affirmative action should be... helping people out based on their individual situation, not because their skin color or gender.

Affirmative action shouldn't ever have been a contest with prizes for the most unfortunate. It was sold as a way to fix the wrongs of slavery. Having been enslaved legally in the US is not a race, it's an atrocity. The reason we should be paying for foster kids' college is because the state is their parent, so it's our responsibility. In a country that wasn't shit, regular people would be jealous of how kids who were…

Affirmative action came in response to Jim Crow. When slavery ended during the civil war, people had the idea that it wasn’t needed. It wasn’t until reconstruction ended and southern states leaned heavily into racist policy making that it became popular.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Do reparations for slavery even make logical sense? Please cut me some slack here, by the nature of the world we live in, I have not uttered these thoughts to another human being, and they might have obvious flaws. It's tough when you can't talk about ideas out of fear of the consequences. I think nobody argues that it's a vile, morally repugnant thing to enslave another human being. But that was a long time ago, and…

So there's actually a lot of academic debate on the merits of reparations, and exactly what and how much reparations should be. A very oversimplified pro argument: if it wasn't for slavery, these families would have generational wealth and better social situations. African Americans in the US ARE disproportionately lower wealth/income and this has CLEAR historical origins. The oversimplified con argument: Okay, but i…

> A very oversimplified pro argument: if it wasn't for slavery, these families would have generational wealth and better social situations. African Americans in the US ARE disproportionately lower wealth/income and this has CLEAR historical origins.

I'm confused by the pro argument. My known lineage was not enslaved, but my grandparents immigrated with 0$, and my family has no generational wealth and we don't receive reparations.

Isn't being freed from slavery the same as being freshly immigrated with 0$?

Furthermore, there are tons of Asian immigrants that come from a third world country with virtually nothing, but become top earners because of their cultural values of education and filial piety

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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This is what affirmative action should be... helping people out based on their individual situation, not because their skin color or gender.

Affirmative action shouldn't ever have been a contest with prizes for the most unfortunate. It was sold as a way to fix the wrongs of slavery. Having been enslaved legally in the US is not a race, it's an atrocity. The reason we should be paying for foster kids' college is because the state is their parent, so it's our responsibility. In a country that wasn't shit, regular people would be jealous of how kids who were…

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Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Just to play devils advocate… Foster children are not a protected class under the law. Perhaps foster kids could or even should be a protected class, however unlike most protected classes that have faced historical systematic discrimination codified in law, the general hardships of foster children are not based in unjust laws. I have worked in Dependency law (ie with children that have been abused, abandoned and negl…

Oh no! Some young adults might have an easier time attending college even when their lives weren't as shitty as others. Squint and we might start looking like college tuitions in Europe.

No secret that society is a metaphorical group of crabs in a bucket at times:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Is everything culture war all the time now on this site? Every post becomes a stupid comment section where we'd be better off getting an LLM to write the comments for us. Here it's people trying to insert their affirmative action narratives and also rant about California a bit (in a backhanded way). We can do better.

I flagged that top level affirmative action comment, and I hope more people do. Contentless flamewars about unrelated culture war policies are boring, and are a negative contribution to the discussion.

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