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All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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All school lunches and breakfasts should be free. It is abhorrent that any child in a country as rich as the United States should go hungry at school.

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And the country should just sit and watch those kids gets neglected and abused?

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Assuming the best intentions of those running this, there may not be enough money in the budget for it to be free for everyone.

Somehow European countries pull it off without bankrupting themselves.

In most cases higher education is to some extent "rationed" and generally less accessible than in the US. Only a few countries in Europe have more University graduates. Which is of course perfectly rational if you have no ideological objects to some degree of centralized planning.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Is everything culture war all the time now on this site? Every post becomes a stupid comment section where we'd be better off getting an LLM to write the comments for us. Here it's people trying to insert their affirmative action narratives and also rant about California a bit (in a backhanded way). We can do better.

i think since reddit gave the finger to its older users, HN has absorbed some of their people and interests.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Do reparations for slavery even make logical sense? Please cut me some slack here, by the nature of the world we live in, I have not uttered these thoughts to another human being, and they might have obvious flaws. It's tough when you can't talk about ideas out of fear of the consequences. I think nobody argues that it's a vile, morally repugnant thing to enslave another human being. But that was a long time ago, and…

So there's actually a lot of academic debate on the merits of reparations, and exactly what and how much reparations should be. A very oversimplified pro argument: if it wasn't for slavery, these families would have generational wealth and better social situations. African Americans in the US ARE disproportionately lower wealth/income and this has CLEAR historical origins. The oversimplified con argument: Okay, but i…

What injustice? Each of these people have the same rights: those enumerated in the bill of rights. That is justice. If there were economic rights in our system there would be case for calling the status quo injustice but there aren't.

(this isn't to say that things can't be changed, but it would require the adoption of new amendments).

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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> Do you mean each successive generation of blacks were wealthier than the previous? What about a comparison to the average white person? No I mean the average African-American is easily over 10x wealthier, and has far better opportunities than the average citizen of the countries that now inhabit the lands they originally came from. Were it not for slavery, again as abhorrent as it was, they'd be a lot worse off tod…

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No. You can't argue with what I said, it's a fact. Facts just are. You can argue about what it means if you want, or how it makes you feel.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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For me, state wards are one of the four metrics for judging the quality of a country. Wards of the state: our responsibility, through no fault of their own. Prisoners: our responsibility, their fault. Immigrants: not our responsibility, but an indication of how well we can manage our economy. We should be able to put anybody who comes here to work. Emigrants: we should let people leave who don't want to be here. The…

> Prisoners: our responsibility, their fault. What percentage (approximately) of prisoners in the United States would you categorize as "their fault" and not some product of their upbringing/situation?

You do realize that most people in a "bad upbringing" don't go on to commit crimes?

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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This is what affirmative action should be... helping people out based on their individual situation, not because their skin color or gender.

Just to play devils advocate… Foster children are not a protected class under the law. Perhaps foster kids could or even should be a protected class, however unlike most protected classes that have faced historical systematic discrimination codified in law, the general hardships of foster children are not based in unjust laws. I have worked in Dependency law (ie with children that have been abused, abandoned and negl…

There's another unique aspect to this particular case--if the children "aged out" without being adopted, then they don't have functioning parents to pay for the massive costs of college, which is what the current financial aid and pricing model relies on. Even if the kids had a good childhood, they aren't going to have the financial resources to pay for college themselves.

And even if they have an almost adopted type of situation with their final foster parents, those parents still shouldn't have to pay all the college costs. They may not have even had the children placed with them long enough to save for that.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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I do not understand why it should be limited to foster kids. Just make the schools free for all, and collect with higher marginal income / wealth taxes. It should not be dependent on parents’ status either. I got zero aid due to my parents, but I also got zero from my parents.

If it's all free, it'll be just like the public school system.

Well obviously you would need some degree of rationing and central planning by the state in addition...

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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This is what affirmative action should be... helping people out based on their individual situation, not because their skin color or gender.

Affirmative action shouldn't ever have been a contest with prizes for the most unfortunate. It was sold as a way to fix the wrongs of slavery. Having been enslaved legally in the US is not a race, it's an atrocity. The reason we should be paying for foster kids' college is because the state is their parent, so it's our responsibility. In a country that wasn't shit, regular people would be jealous of how kids who were…

If foster children were raised so well that people were jealous, maybe that would create an adverse incentive for people to create more children than they can handle and desert children that they’ve already had?
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