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All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by nverno »

edmundsauto wrote: post #148
nverno wrote: post #130

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> Wards of the state: our responsibility People that really feel this responsibility become foster parents. But saying the state should deal with them isn't taking on that responsibility - at the end of the day actual people need to be their parents. I'm happy to support those people by having taxes directed their way, but the state doesn't get credit for their good deeds.

IMO, the state bears the responsibility to structure the laws and regulations to make it easier for regular people to be heroes. Servant leadership is generally not a characteristic of democracies, as politicians need to take credit in order to win votes.

I agree, but this is also a problem with heavy reliance on government - people can just punt responsibility, and the wrong people get the credit.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by nomat »

slashdev wrote: post #156
jmerz wrote: post #135

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So there's actually a lot of academic debate on the merits of reparations, and exactly what and how much reparations should be. A very oversimplified pro argument: if it wasn't for slavery, these families would have generational wealth and better social situations. African Americans in the US ARE disproportionately lower wealth/income and this has CLEAR historical origins. The oversimplified con argument: Okay, but i…

I don't think it's possible to do that, in general. Anyone can find an injustice if they look hard enough. I have some ancestors that fled religious persecution in France. Many died. The ones that fled gave up everything. Should I play the victim card and petition France to restore the land my ancestors were chased off of? History is pretty ugly, I'm sure everyone could find a justified grievance if they tried hard e…

you know the reason that we don't have those things is precisely because politicians campaigned on the narrative that black people (welfare queens, etc) would unfairly take advantage of a system like that and they won.

So it seems like you understand what needs to be done but what not what the blocking issues are.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

qwytw wrote: post #138
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #132

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> Do reparations for slavery even make logical sense? Yes. The slaves did labor. That labor demands wages. The fact that the formerly enslaved also benefited from public goods to which all citizens had access does not pay down the debt owned to them for their labor.

I guess a better question is whether reparation paid out to 5th+ generation descendants of slaves make sense. How do you even implement that practically?

Figure out how much the labor was worth. Throw on punitive damages for having enslaved them against their will their entire lives. Now calculate for having invested that money at the time that slavery ended.

That's a good STARTING point.

Japanese-American citizens got locked up for a few years during WWII and the result was that Reagan signed a bill allowing for their descendants to receive $20K for each incarcerated person.

Now consider how many LIFETIMES were wasted in slavery.

Turns out that the same people who always complain about others having their hands out are just upset at any situation that doesn't personally enrich them.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by giantg2 »

serf wrote: post #97
giantg2 wrote: post #72

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Every time I see these numbers I'm shocked at how it's not >98%.

the high school era in ones' life has a lot of opportunity for personal hardship; in many ways it's the beginning of personal responsibility for a lot of people. in other words : it's less likely that an elementary school student has to juggle an unwanted pregnancy, an estranged family, and a job at McDonalds; it's not that uncommon later on.

I do get that. I knew people who had a kid, family issues, substance issues, etc and still managed to graduate. I know there are probably others who wouldn't graduate in similar situations or worse ones. It still shocks me that the dropout rate is so high.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by jackson1442 »

SamReidHughes wrote: post #157
megaman821 wrote: post #20

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All school lunches and breakfasts should be free. It is abhorrent that any child in a country as rich as the United States should go hungry at school.

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The problem isn’t with the kids either, we shouldn’t be punishing kids for the wrongs of their parents.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by Aperocky »

torstenvl wrote: post #24
megaman821 wrote: post #20

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All school lunches and breakfasts should be free. It is abhorrent that any child in a country as rich as the United States should go hungry at school.

As a taxpayer who funds public schools, I find it acceptable to subsidize the food of those who are struggling, but I do not have any desire to subsidize the ruling elite (who, in many cases, intentionally keep working class pay low). They can pay for their own children's food.

By blanket helping everyone no matter the wealth, you end up helping mostly non-wealthy people.

By helping specifically the poor/not wealthy, you end up with a massive bureaucracy trying to decide who is wealthy enough, and add paperwork on top of poorer people to "request" such benefit.

The cost benefit just isn't there.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by nomat »

slashdev wrote: post #139
themitigating wrote: post #134

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The descendants of those slaves are now much wealthier and better off by pretty much any metric than their relatives who were not enslaved Do you mean each successive generation of blacks were wealthier than the previous? What about a comparison to the average white person? There were many laws that existed well after slavery that could prevent a black person from succeeding. That's my justification for affirmative a…

> Do you mean each successive generation of blacks were wealthier than the previous? What about a comparison to the average white person? No I mean the average African-American is easily over 10x wealthier, and has far better opportunities than the average citizen of the countries that now inhabit the lands they originally came from. Were it not for slavery, again as abhorrent as it was, they'd be a lot worse off tod…

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Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by [deleted] »

throwawaycities wrote: post #155
ttfkam wrote: post #119

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Oh no! Some young adults might have an easier time attending college even when their lives weren't as shitty as others. Squint and we might start looking like college tuitions in Europe.

You missed the part where I say I support the program and programs like this for foster kids that age out, I just don’t agree that the program is narrowly tailored to individual situations. Trust me here in Florida there are many parents who put their kids in foster care at 17 so they qualify for governmental housing allowances. I’m all for free college tuition, for all. I want an educated society, I want better payi…

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Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Post by cool_dude85 »

ekam wrote: post #121
Racing0461 wrote: post #103

What's to stop parents from putting their kids up for foster care when they turn 15 so they can attend college at 16 for free?

The state only takes care of kids if a court assumes jurisdiction under WIC 300. You can only voluntarily give ups kid within the first few days of birth (this is known as safe surrender https://advokids.org/legal-tools/safe-surrender/ ) otherwise courts usually assume jurisdiction due to cases of abuse, neglect, abandonment, etc

Not sure how it works in California but where I live you can sign a voluntary termination of parental rights and if you're in a position to consider it they usually won't argue as far as I know.
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