not for free. At no expense to them and the tax payer flits the bill as usual. Carry on.
All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free
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#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
For me, state wards are one of the four metrics for judging the quality of a country. Wards of the state: our responsibility, through no fault of their own. Prisoners: our responsibility, their fault. Immigrants: not our responsibility, but an indication of how well we can manage our economy. We should be able to put anybody who comes here to work. Emigrants: we should let people leave who don't want to be here. The…
> Wards of the state: our responsibility People that really feel this responsibility become foster parents. But saying the state should deal with them isn't taking on that responsibility - at the end of the day actual people need to be their parents. I'm happy to support those people by having taxes directed their way, but the state doesn't get credit for their good deeds.
This is uselessly dismissive and reductionist. I have a special needs child who just hit remission from Leukemia. To feel that the state has a responsibility for those kids I'm now supposed to also take in a foster child?
Your statement reeks of someone who lives in an ivory tower somewhere.
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree completely. Something so striking about the situation as well is that on balance, we have a staggering amount of wealth to share with the less fortunate. Yet these are children, specifically, who deserve every opportunity we can afford them by default. Not “hopeless addicts” or some other group deemed not worth saving by so many of us, but people quite literally the epitome of worth saving. These people need…
Not sure who we is, but I have 4 kids and live paycheck to paycheck and nobody helps me or my kids. We can’t spare what we don’t have.
I think you deserve help as well. This is why I suppose universal basic income, because for someone like you, an extra $1000/month would help tremendously.
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
Community colleges are included in the program. This seems to be a part of a guaranteed jobs program. Wish we were moving to a basic income program but I'm convinced that we will need one or the other or some combination of the two. Jobs at a community college would be ideal to replace some of the early jobs that would be eliminated by AI.
As I understand it, faculty positions at community colleges usually require graduate degrees and tend to have many applicants for few slots. I don't expect that community colleges will be greatly increasing their faculty sizes.
I see a variety of jobs: https://www.sjeccd.edu/district-services/human-resources/emp...
I think community colleges have been growing and this could continue the growth. It wouldn't seem like a huge change, but the alternative might be shrinking enrollments. The state government would feel the pressure to provide jobs, and this could help them, while doing some good for young people along the way.
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just to play devils advocate… Foster children are not a protected class under the law. Perhaps foster kids could or even should be a protected class, however unlike most protected classes that have faced historical systematic discrimination codified in law, the general hardships of foster children are not based in unjust laws. I have worked in Dependency law (ie with children that have been abused, abandoned and negl…
Oh no! Some young adults might have an easier time attending college even when their lives weren't as shitty as others. Squint and we might start looking like college tuitions in Europe.
You missed the part where I say I support the program and programs like this for foster kids that age out, I just don’t agree that the program is narrowly tailored to individual situations.
Trust me here in Florida there are many parents who put their kids in foster care at 17 so they qualify for governmental housing allowances.
I’m all for free college tuition, for all. I want an educated society, I want better paying jobs resulting in higher taxes, and I don’t want government guaranteed loans resulting in unaffordable tuition and life long debt.
I don’t think your comment adds much.
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do reparations for slavery even make logical sense? Please cut me some slack here, by the nature of the world we live in, I have not uttered these thoughts to another human being, and they might have obvious flaws. It's tough when you can't talk about ideas out of fear of the consequences. I think nobody argues that it's a vile, morally repugnant thing to enslave another human being. But that was a long time ago, and…
So there's actually a lot of academic debate on the merits of reparations, and exactly what and how much reparations should be. A very oversimplified pro argument: if it wasn't for slavery, these families would have generational wealth and better social situations. African Americans in the US ARE disproportionately lower wealth/income and this has CLEAR historical origins. The oversimplified con argument: Okay, but i…
I don't think it's possible to do that, in general. Anyone can find an injustice if they look hard enough.
I have some ancestors that fled religious persecution in France. Many died. The ones that fled gave up everything. Should I play the victim card and petition France to restore the land my ancestors were chased off of?
History is pretty ugly, I'm sure everyone could find a justified grievance if they tried hard enough.
I think the logical thing is to focus on equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome. What things can we do to distribute opportunity more equally in society? Things like free post-secondary education, free health care would seem to be a better use of resources.
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
also free lunches in schools https://www.nycfoodpolicy.org/states-that-have-passed-univer...
All school lunches and breakfasts should be free. It is abhorrent that any child in a country as rich as the United States should go hungry at school.
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#158Is everything culture war all the time now on this site? Every post becomes a stupid comment section where we'd be better off getting an LLM to write the comments for us. Here it's people trying to insert their affirmative action narratives and also rant about California a bit (in a backhanded way). We can do better.
> Is everything culture war all the time now on this site?
Always has been.
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#159This is what affirmative action should be... helping people out based on their individual situation, not because their skin color or gender.
Oh honey
Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free
#160This is what affirmative action should be... helping people out based on their individual situation, not because their skin color or gender.
Just to play devils advocate… Foster children are not a protected class under the law. Perhaps foster kids could or even should be a protected class, however unlike most protected classes that have faced historical systematic discrimination codified in law, the general hardships of foster children are not based in unjust laws. I have worked in Dependency law (ie with children that have been abused, abandoned and negl…
> Foster children are not a protected class under the law.
It seems like California is leaving themselves open to a 14th Amendment Equal Protection violation claim, doesn't it?