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Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by stevenwoo »

tekla wrote: post #148
throw0101a wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Maybe open source generative AI can help solve cp. Cater to all these pedophile fetishes, and no need to exploit children? Illegal in Canada (even animated/cartoons): * https://windsor.ctvnews.ca/man-facing-child-porn-charges-aft... Edit: fictional material seems to be illegal in quite a lot of countries: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_child_pornography * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_f…

CP is disgusting and everything, but I'm kinda weirded out about thought crime. If no harm is being done, not even indirectly to anyone else, why is it a crime? It's not illegal to write a fanfic that you keep to yourself about all the weird ways that you want to torture and kill someone.

Slight correction: it’s now every Americans’ first amendment right to send that fanfic to the subject after Counterman vs Colorado.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by remram »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #277
sillysaurusx wrote: post #195

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Which vpn was no-log-but-logging? I was shopping around for an alternative after mullvad blocked port forwarding, but it seems like no one else is as trustworthy. Not that I need it for my “attempt to port forward smash ultimate from within crummy hospital internet” purposes, but hey, principle of the thing and all that.

buy a cheap vps server with btc and setup your own vpn

You'd have to hope the VPS host is not logging...

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by Nanana909 »

chollida1 wrote: post #315
rvba wrote: post #260

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Looking at the scale of NordVPN they either already have a liason with aurhorities inside, or are hacked by authorities. The (law enforcement) agencies can just go to the few biggest VPN suppliers. Just like they go to FAANG.

> Looking at the scale of NordVPN they either already have a liason with aurhorities inside, or are hacked by authorities. Based on what? You just seem to be making a wild unsubstantiated conjecture here.

Is it that wild? There are a few questions we have to ask

1. Do these agencies have the motivation to do the above? I think the answer here is an obvious yes to everyone

2. Do these agencies have the technical ability to hack the VPNs, the finances to pay them for access, or some other reasonable measure to coerce compliance?

If 1 and 2 are both true, then the OP claim is also certainly true.

Given that 1 is true, I don’t think it’s “wild” to claim that these agencies cannot satisfy 2. In fact I’d say given the historical record, the more wild claim is that the CIA/NSA etc is incapable of satisfying #2.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by johnnyanmac »

tekla wrote: post #148
throw0101a wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Maybe open source generative AI can help solve cp. Cater to all these pedophile fetishes, and no need to exploit children? Illegal in Canada (even animated/cartoons): * https://windsor.ctvnews.ca/man-facing-child-porn-charges-aft... Edit: fictional material seems to be illegal in quite a lot of countries: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_child_pornography * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_f…

CP is disgusting and everything, but I'm kinda weirded out about thought crime. If no harm is being done, not even indirectly to anyone else, why is it a crime? It's not illegal to write a fanfic that you keep to yourself about all the weird ways that you want to torture and kill someone.

>It's not illegal to write a fanfic that you keep to yourself about all the weird ways that you want to torture and kill someone.

pedantic, but it depends on many factors that can make that goal realistic. You probably wouldn't get flack about how you'd kill Trump or any public figure you're far away from, but some specific individual can be seen as a threat in some countries. Even the US isn't fully lenient on that.

>If no harm is being done, not even indirectly to anyone else, why is it a crime?

politics, mostly. For example, in Japan uncensored genetalia is still illegal, animated or otherwise. Despite some of the most explicit pornography hailing from it. These come from WW2 times where the US imposed a bunch of sanctions, but have long since been irrelevant. So why not just repeal that law?

Well, what politician wants to be the one to fall on that sword and get the buck rolling? It's political suicide to the voter base (mostly older people) even if most people wouldn't be strongly affected by it. That's one among many many other factors, of course.

And that's a relatively uncontroversial aspect of society. Can you imagine trying to go to bat about the above topic?

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by jrflowers »

Eisenstein wrote: post #358
jrflowers wrote: post #327

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I’m no expert here but I’m going to guess that equivocating gay people and pedophiles is not the best starting point to understanding pedophiles.

[flagged]

I like this question because you explicitly ask me to agree with your premise that pedophiles and gay people are equivalent within your framing of this discussion and then follow it up with “my contention is something other than what I’ve clearly explained”

Edit: For clarity, the post this is responding to originally started with “Do you agree that 'adult-adult-hetersexual' is the only orientation that has obvious evolutionary benefit?” It has since been edited to a generic copy-pasted response.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by krabizzwainch »

grepfru_it wrote: post #259
throw0101a wrote: post #147

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> I asked him if he had ever run into Tor exits, he said no, but they did sometimes run into people with unsecured wireless that had been used by third parties and once it was clear that was what happened it was pretty much dropped. Could one have open Wifi "accidentally" (on purpose) as a defence mechanism against one's own actions to introduce reasonable doubt? Bruce Schneier in 2008: * https://www.schneier.com/blo…

Yes, but it is a very weak defense that can be smashed e.g. your device is seen communicating with the BSSID of the closed wifi, or your mac address (open wifi) is seen communicating with surveilled target. Maybe in 2008 this was plausible, but it was also plausible to disguise one's self and walk to mcdonald's free wifi with a burner wifi card and/or Kali Linux. With the proliferation of surveillance devices everywh…

In college I used this excuse when my apartment buildings self managed wifi cut off my internet for torrenting. I just went into the office and was like “a torrent? Idk what that is…”. But it wasn’t anything more official than a guy in my apartment’s office’s ability to turn my internet back on. I didn’t even have to prove I had an open Wi-Fi network.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by belorn »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #34

The eternal struggle. Information wants to be free, and then people use those freedoms to do the most screwed up things imaginable, and people like this pay the price. It’s a damn shame how the original cyberpunk dream played out. We could’ve had a world where companies couldn’t do anything about people using their ideas. Instead we get one where you can’t even be anonymous without rubbing elbows with child predators…

> you can’t even be anonymous without rubbing elbows with child predators.

Statistically there is quite a large number of criminals in my city, and since I visit shops and other parts of the city, I am bound to unknowingly to me been rubbing elbows with those criminals. We are all anonymous to each other, and what can I really know about the person in front of me in the store. Go past a few hundred people and someone will be a person I would not associate myself with, and yet here I am living in the same city as them using the same infrastructure, and in some way enabling the activity by contributing taxes.

Not to say I don't understand the emotional reaction people have. I have relatives in the countryside that refuse to visit the city because of all the criminals that they hear about. It is also fairly common to hear people moving out of the city to the calmer suburbs in order to get out of all the shootings and crime. I also do know first hand that if you go and look for it, finding drug dealers and shady activity is not exactly a big secret. Go to specific streets or part of the city and it's operated in plain sight.

I've always seen the original cyberpunk dream as being analogous to a city, with all its benefits and drawbacks.

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

tamimio wrote: post #99

>By law they were right as the law only protected registered companies, So basically to protect yourself running an exit node, register a company, preferably offshore or not within X jurisdiction.

The more I learn the more I realise that this has been the case for a long time.

Protections for companies are greater, and create more hurdles for law enforcement, than protections for individuals.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by geraldwhen »

OfSanguineFire wrote: post #238
orangepurple wrote: post #230

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Run a DC++ client connected to some major hubs and snoop on the queries that people search for and you will lose all hope for humanity.

People definitely search for awful stuff, but that doesn’t mean that such stuff is the only thing shared on DC++. It is films and music that draws so many people to DC++.

20 years ago, DC++ was the best place to get full anime seasons with fan subs. Nowadays, nearly everything is on Hulu, or crunchyroll, or illegitimate streaming sites.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Post by hickelpickle »

AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #304
sanderjd wrote: post #167

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> It’s a damn shame how the original cyberpunk dream played out. Isn't it more, "This is why the original cyberpunk dream was always a naive and bad idea"? Like, it appealed to me too when I was young, but then I learned more about humans and our history and ...

Since when was cyberpunk a dream to be pursued? It's the opposite of a naive dream. It's a nightmare full of high tech and people living on scraps, constantly trying to keep up with the tech fallout from big corporations. One of the most iconic places in cyberpunk was literally described as being "like a deranged experiment in social Darwinism, designed by a bored researcher who kept the thumb permantently on the fas…

I think the phrase people are looking for is cypherpunk, idk why the whole thread is referencing cyberpunk which has little to do with the subject matter and ideals being discussed, which are related to the cypherpunk movement.
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