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My former employer (in London) has just instructed everyone, finally after COVID, to be in the office for 50% of the time. Many of my former colleagues starting looking for other jobs last week. It seems employers have two concerns: cost and presenteeism. The first is easily solved, downsize your office. The second, is an organisational problem. Why commute for 90 minutes each way to sit in a office with headphones o…
> It seems employers have two concerns: cost and presenteeism. There's real value in people talking to their coworkers in person and knowing them. There's an obvious cost as well, but let's not pretend there's no value there.
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Typical business leases were 5-10 years. If you weren't willing to commit to 5 years in 2018, nobody owning a building in a major CBD wanted to see you. You could get sublets from businesses that wanted to recoup costs while moving to a bigger space, or space at the fringes or outside of the CBD. The leases are just starting to run out.
Plenty of leases have already expired. Yet it seems landlords would prefer to leave a building empty than to lease it for a low rent. Somehow the usual rules of supply and demand don't seem to be applying.
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#163What amazes me is that we didn't see a faster cratering in value in office space. On any given day in any capital city, perhaps 50% of office desks sit empty. Yet I can't buy an office building for cents on the dollar. Normally when supply far exceeds demand like this, companies owning those assets can't pay their bills, the building is sold, there are no buyers, auction prices crash, the crashing prices cause more c…
>perhaps 50% of office desks sit empty Can you provide that source? I have a different source that shows my city is at 19% (which is still absurdly high)
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#164Alternative title by me: Remote work frees up $800b to be spent more effectively.
When the paper value of an asset disappears you don't get the money back to spend elsewhere. Nobody does. Just like lending creates money, destruction of assets destroys money. Which happens to be what we want right now, as long as it can be done in an orderly fashion.
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#165Office means city. City means services. Services means profit for those who run them. If inflation keep going and there is not much space for the New Deal in cities, too dense to change, people get poorer, so try cheaper solution, meaning owning less, witch indirectly means using more services. Let's say some try to go to smaller apartments, then they have not much space for keep foods and cook at home, not much space to washing clothes at home, and that means services. No cars? Well, collective transportation service (improperly named public, since they are private companies in most of the cases) are there. They start to be toll free? Oh, someone pay, it does not matter if it's the transported human or the State. The point is that the SOLE way to realistically reach the famous "in 2030 you'll own nothing" is pushing people to total poverty and doing so without massive revolt means substituting what people loose with something else, services. In cities people can be impoverished while kept calm giving "aids" and services. Once their are trapped is just a matter of time to pushing services economical entry barrier a bit higher and de-facto imposing jobs people's can't refuse to earn enough to pay for all the services they need.
If WFH became the norm, in the western countries where tertiary sector is largely dominating other jobs many people would go out of the city, looking for large homes in nice places, homes large enough to have a personal office per adult, at least, so they have also space for cars, for fridge, kitchen etc and since perhaps they are in an area not so well serving they would prefer some redundancy and they learn how to repair stuff and so on => they would value their properties and they do want to posses, not to lease, not to externalize, less services. Owning means also have valuable assets, witch means an economic reserve that allow for life changes without being so tied to a 24/7/365 jobs and services, they be less blackmailable than someone who own nothing and spend anything in services. Such ownership also means people less keen to relocate, witch means less easy reorganization of the society following some ruling class will.
Then the rest. If the home will be the center of so many people lives, homeservers will be the norm, personal desktops as well, far less mobile devices and own hw means "hey, but it's cheaper than the cloud" and so a certain mentality shift also in the IT world toward a more decentralized computing, like we had in the past.
Then large real estate owners who loose big money and so on, essentially MOST large big capitals will loose points. A middle class can flourish again.
So? Well, they likely prefer pushing people in offices, allowing only some, the most skilled and useful, to be outside the smart city.
No proof, but IMVHO that's what happening today.
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Yeah, you can't be anything blue-collar remotely. As well as jobs like healthcare. Lots of jobs still require you to physically interact with people or things.
All of those jobs should pay MUCH more.
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>perhaps 50% of office desks sit empty Can you provide that source? I have a different source that shows my city is at 19% (which is still absurdly high)
Even san francisco isn't that bad, only about 25% of office space isn't being use. It's not an apocalypse, these real estate people are just trying to declare "woe is me" because profits are down 10%
The hard problem with % numbers is that they are usually made up on the fly, 62% of the time. However, in my case, I got the CRE vacancy numbers from NAI which is more credible than a random person on HN (no offense)
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I don't know what this is supposed to mean. Do you think a company is asking someone to come in to the office because they're worried about their landlord's property values?
You changed your comment from this short text: > No one is asking you. Quite dishonest to act confused.
That's a lot different than "No one is asking you". I think you owe me an apology.
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Luxury conversions - 2 apts max per floor? — could address the single shared utility risers/core of the typical office building. Schematically: [ a | util | b ]. Malls are also on the table for conversions these days. That is a much simpler transformation.
Why are malls simpler to transform? All the malls I'm familiar with have relatively few bathrooms per floor, and huge interiors (low wall:floor ratio) that would seem hard to slice up into apartments.
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Yeah, you can't be anything blue-collar remotely. As well as jobs like healthcare. Lots of jobs still require you to physically interact with people or things.
All of those jobs should pay MUCH more.