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Ask HN: What is the best place to hire part time devs?

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Re: Ask HN: What is the best place to hire part time devs?

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It’s tough. Finding people who are good, fast, and cheap is difficult in the best of circumstances. When I was broke, I decided to beg developers who liked me & offered to pay them something (say 40/USD per hour in 2010). The catch was I had to wait until they had time, so it took maybe 12 months to get a 1 or 2 months of work done. But it got done & that got my business off the ground.

This is a really good idea, if time is not important. If you want someone experienced, in the US or Western Europe who does freelancing full time to prioritize your project, you should budget $100-$200/hr on the junior end, up to $300+/hr for someone more senior with specialized skills. Less than that and you're going to be dealing with someone who's either learning on the job, or trying to fit you in every now and t…

Yeah this is pretty accurate. I've had good luck with the learning on the job thing in the past I will say. The way I think about it is that I would be doing the same thing if I thought I had the time to do it myself. The framing I use is that I am paying them a competitive rate but I am just not paying them for the hours spent learning.

There is obviously some push and pull there about what exactly learning is, but it's usually turned out okay and I have made some good connections to help my buisness in the long term from it. Once they learn and you have put that investment, you give them a good referral if they need it and they will usually be more than willing to help you at a reasonable price in the future since you helped give them out originally.

You can get burned doing this I am sure, it just hasn't happened to me the two times I've taken this strategy.

The one thing you definitely do not want to do is to wind up with one of those learning on the job people but where neither of you are quite sure what the expectations are. You see this a lot with companies offering way below market for a skill and candidates accepting but not being made comfortable to admit they are not experienced enough to get market rates. Mostly this is a problem when the company doesn't know what they are doing and/or are incompetent in other ways that led to them not knowing they are underpaying what it would require to get somebody they really knows what they are doing.

Re: Ask HN: What is the best place to hire part time devs?

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offshoring US to Europe costs about $30/hr, 1/2 time work means many context switches so 1/2 efficiency and it can take a few tries to fight the right person, so if FTE for 6+ months not affordable i am concerned that this is not going to give you the outcome you want (and be painful for both you and the freelancer), recommend trying to find an advisor who has successfully done this before to reduce risk

Not sure where did you get this number. $45/hr was the standard expected rate for software development houses and agencies 7 years ago in Eastern Europe. So now it probably is around $70-80/hr. For $30/hr you could get a talented junior freelancing, if you're lucky. But that comes at the cost of quality and efficiency, which offsets the savings from the seemingly lower rate considerably.

OP is seemingly open to the idea of hiring individual freelancers. If they can skip the middleman (agency), that rate effectively doubles (From what I've seen, the developers working for the agency get paid around half of what the client pays).

Re: Ask HN: What is the best place to hire part time devs?

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It’s tough. Finding people who are good, fast, and cheap is difficult in the best of circumstances. When I was broke, I decided to beg developers who liked me & offered to pay them something (say 40/USD per hour in 2010). The catch was I had to wait until they had time, so it took maybe 12 months to get a 1 or 2 months of work done. But it got done & that got my business off the ground.

Good, fast, cheap.

Pick one.

And pray.

Re: Ask HN: What is the best place to hire part time devs?

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I had someone reach out on a freelancing site some months back for an account I don't monitor much anymore. They had asked my interest about something I didn't find interesting and their budget wouldn't have covered setting up a test system for the issue.

That said, I have had people reach out with a project I am interested in (and had time) and did so for the equivalent of low fixed amount. It is rare. I consider them the equivalent of bug bounties.

Re: Ask HN: What is the best place to hire part time devs?

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I have tried Upwork, Fiver - Both are very big and global. Eventually you'll have to find a great Dev from an off-shore country and retain them over time. I have seen multiple off-shore candidates who are super good that work at reasonable hourly rates.

One thing with Upwork, and I was helping a project awhile back where this was the case, someone with a high tech social profile will post. They will outsource the work to someone at a much lower rate. The last of these projects I was involved in, the individual had a very high dev advocate type profile, the outsourcing was to Pakistan. Rather than outing things, I just chalked it up to learning and being more aware for future such projects.

Re: Ask HN: What is the best place to hire part time devs?

#29

It’s tough. Finding people who are good, fast, and cheap is difficult in the best of circumstances. When I was broke, I decided to beg developers who liked me & offered to pay them something (say 40/USD per hour in 2010). The catch was I had to wait until they had time, so it took maybe 12 months to get a 1 or 2 months of work done. But it got done & that got my business off the ground.

Good, fast, cheap. Pick one. And pray.

You’re not wrong :)

Re: Ask HN: What is the best place to hire part time devs?

#30

Plugging a service I helped create: match.dev Typical rates are $40-$60/h and many work part time. We vet everyone by paying them to create a small project for us.

firefox 108 gives me:

    An error occurred during a connection to match.dev. PR_END_OF_FILE_ERROR
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