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Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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> If convicted, this could land me in jail for 6 to 10 years. The 6 to 10 years is the least of his worries. The guy will be labeled a chomo and probably killed as a result. All for running a Tor exit node. What a time to be alive.

I’ve never seen the term chomo before and I’m curious about its origin. Is it “homo” but with ‘c’ for child tacked on the front, or is it Spanish? Or something else, like a portmanteau of child molester?

The way I learned it is that it is a portmanteau of child molester. The extra "o" in the middle is used because "chmo" is hard to pronounce.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If convicted, this could land me in jail for 6 to 10 years. The 6 to 10 years is the least of his worries. The guy will be labeled a chomo and probably killed as a result. All for running a Tor exit node. What a time to be alive.

I’ve never seen the term chomo before and I’m curious about its origin. Is it “homo” but with ‘c’ for child tacked on the front, or is it Spanish? Or something else, like a portmanteau of child molester?

Yes, the latter

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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I noticed they mentioned “logs” of you talking about hosting CP, can you elaborate? They took a bunch of IRC logs where I stated what I can and can’t host at a web hosting provider I owned. The logs do exist but are taken out of context. The "reporting" here is at the level of a 90s scene mag.

A lot of wink-wink edgyness on both sides. Almost as if there are no mature people sharing their views.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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The eternal struggle. Information wants to be free, and then people use those freedoms to do the most screwed up things imaginable, and people like this pay the price.

It’s a damn shame how the original cyberpunk dream played out. We could’ve had a world where companies couldn’t do anything about people using their ideas. Instead we get one where you can’t even be anonymous without rubbing elbows with child predators.

It’s surprising how much anonymity and the subject at hand are correlated. In my 20s I liked to explore, as I’m sure many of you do too. I once met someone in the Whonix community who wanted to nix google maps entirely; he spent a lot of time downloading maps and trying to make a way to view them locally, which I think is going to be prescient one day. It already is in many parts of the world — you don’t have cell service, so you can’t just pull up google maps. Nowadays starlink solves that problem, but back then it wasn’t clear that we’d ever be able to have maps at our fingertips regardless of internet access. This was back in the era of that poor CNET reporter that got lost with his family in the mountains precisely because of no maps, and ended up dying to exposure when he went to get help. Never leave your car.

I found all of this fascinating. What a project! Make all of google maps accessible right from your phone, with no internet. I briefly fell in love with that community.

Ultimately what drove me away was the literal flood of child porn that was always right next to anything to do with tor, whonix, or anonymity in general. I have a pretty high tolerance for “operating in gray areas,” like this guy. But one of the tragedies of the cyberpunk dream is that the entire scene has been coopted by cp. In some sense cp is the ultimate test of anonymity, since you’ll be thrown in prison pretty much instantly if caught. So perhaps it’s no surprise that it’s the most common and pervasive result of anonymity, but it sure is a shame.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Quite logical, same in France and likely many countries; if you run a Tor exit node (or any type of open proxy), you get visited by the police if someone does something wrong on your exit node. Otherwise what could happen is that you run a Tor node and use it as an excuse for any crime you do.

I'm trying to imagine a plausible reason to (a) run a Tor exit node, but also (b) not actually use Tor for online nefariousness, and I'm coming up blank. I don't think running a Tor node as an excuse is a real scenario. (edit: emphasis) Edit2: Jeez guys. I support Tor. I'm saying anyone who runs an exit node is also going to use Tor for anything that might get them in trouble, not do those thing in the clear and "use…

If running Tor protected you from any responsibility of traffic coming from you then it would be a real scenario. But there is an expectation that you should be at least somewhat responsible of traffic you generate. That is why running Tor exit node is often linked with meeting law enforcement officials.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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I stopped running a Tor non-exit node from home a few years back, because a lot of websites and platforms blacklist any IP associated with Tor. I couldn't actually watch anything on Hulu for years (though they were still happy to take my money, which I refused to give them) because of this. Running a tor node is a thankless thing one can choose to do. Nevertheless I did for years. I don't do it anymore.

Thank you for operating it as long as you did.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Quite logical, same in France and likely many countries; if you run a Tor exit node (or any type of open proxy), you get visited by the police if someone does something wrong on your exit node. Otherwise what could happen is that you run a Tor node and use it as an excuse for any crime you do.

I'm trying to imagine a plausible reason to (a) run a Tor exit node, but also (b) not actually use Tor for online nefariousness, and I'm coming up blank. I don't think running a Tor node as an excuse is a real scenario. (edit: emphasis) Edit2: Jeez guys. I support Tor. I'm saying anyone who runs an exit node is also going to use Tor for anything that might get them in trouble, not do those thing in the clear and "use…

In some countries "online nefariousness" include things like trying to access gay communities, or looking information about abortion.

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Couldn't you say the same for every coffee shop that gives random people Wi-Fi access?

Your coffee shop could turn over MAC addresses if the police showed up with a warrant - especially all of the 3rd party managed solutions with logging.

Your effective wi-fi MAC address — the one other devices see — isn't fixed in stone, and in fact modern OSes build in support for automatically + continuously randomizing it: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/how-to-use-rando...

Re: Man found guilty of child porn because he ran a Tor exit node

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Why don’t we put Tor nodes in space? Seems like a few hundred micro satellites could circumvent sovereignty this way.

You still need downlinks with this. You could have some base stations run by amateurs, but that paints a target on their backs in a similar way running a Tor node already does.

As with Sealand/HavenCo and international waters/micronations more broadly. Even if no country with guns chooses to take direct action, it takes very little--if they care enough--to cut off supplies and any meaningful communications.
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