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Remote Work to Wipe Out $800B from Office Values, McKinsey Says

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Re: Remote Work to Wipe Out $800B from Office Values, McKinsey Says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if the leaders of the company, or company itself, is invested in similar properties?

Do you have any data to show how prevalent this is? I suspect worker retirement plans have more exposure than leaders of companies, and it seems only the largest, most stable and slower growing companies own their own real estate.

No, I was just positing a motivation.

Re: Remote Work to Wipe Out $800B from Office Values, McKinsey Says

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The building i currently live in is a 20+ storey apartment block that was made out of a converted office building built in the 60s. Given the housing prices in [checks notes] cities, it feels like a wave of residentializing is on the horizon.

I think most older buildings are able to be converted, but not the new types of commercial buildings.

Why? Does no one like floor to ceiling windows anymore? I’m sorry if I sound sarcastic, it’s a real question. I kind of love the way some offices look on the outside.

Re: Remote Work to Wipe Out $800B from Office Values, McKinsey Says

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I refuse to be miserable in an office just for someone else's building value.

No one is asking you to come into an office just to boost their landlord's property values. That would be a money losing proposition for the company.

In some cases the companies are the landlords.

Re: Remote Work to Wipe Out $800B from Office Values, McKinsey Says

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not an expert but I've read it's not easy to add all the necessary plumbing to provide showers and toilets if you redistribute office space into apartments. A lot of times office buildings will have one large bathroom per floor.

It's not easy but it's also just like an ordinary phase of construction. They have to strip it down and replumb it, which in construction also just looks like drilling big holes through the floor. What they're saying is the buildout from commercial to apartments involves more work than the buildout from one commercial client to another.

Drilling big holes, cutting the slab etc.

Also if it is a tension slab you absolutely cannot cut into it.

Re: Remote Work to Wipe Out $800B from Office Values, McKinsey Says

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I hate the framing of this. It's so click bait and sensational. Remote work isn't wiping it out. Decreased demand for office space, with a ton of supply on market, and owners wanting to make antiquated leasing agreements are ignoring the market/reality. They are refusing to adapt to modern needs are seeing easily anticipatable economic outcomes as the consequence. It's not simply "remote did this" when the problem is greedy investors can't cope and refactor. Their target market's core consumer (employees of their renters) have unequivocally made it clear they do not want to go into offices or be bound to failing cities just to please a company that will lay them off or not take care of them (use any of the dozens of reasons employees don't want to rto or be forcibly relocated anywhere). I don't feel a shred of pity for impacted businesses or investors if these offices just as I wouldn't feel sorry for an investment group pouring millions into horse infrastructure in the early days of the automobile.

Re: Remote Work to Wipe Out $800B from Office Values, McKinsey Says

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if the leaders of the company, or company itself, is invested in similar properties?

Do you have any data to show how prevalent this is? I suspect worker retirement plans have more exposure than leaders of companies, and it seems only the largest, most stable and slower growing companies own their own real estate.

My former employer's CEO (a small business) owned the floor of the building we were in and leased it back to the company.

I've known other smaller companies that owned their own building, but it would be interesting to see how prevalent it is. I suspect it's more common than we think.

Re: Remote Work to Wipe Out $800B from Office Values, McKinsey Says

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think most older buildings are able to be converted, but not the new types of commercial buildings.

Why? Does no one like floor to ceiling windows anymore? I’m sorry if I sound sarcastic, it’s a real question. I kind of love the way some offices look on the outside.

Here's a quick one https://www.wsj.com/video/series/wsj-explains/what-it-takes-...

Short version:

Commercial buildings are too deep and so you have to do fancy things to give internal apartments natural light and meet building regulations for windows.

Re: Remote Work to Wipe Out $800B from Office Values, McKinsey Says

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Costs will be appended to the workers. I hope we all realize someday how working from home applies further wear & tear to our amenities and homes compared to the office's. Think toilets, sinks, fridges, chairs, doors, floors, etc. I fully advocate for WFH regardless and to even supplement with an option like DeskPass for those that want to take a break from home. But a portion of those former office costs should go t…

You should examine how you are using your toilets, sinks, fridges, doors, and floors if you are causing measurable wear and tear by staying home an additional 9 to 10 hours.
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