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Remote Work to Wipe Out $800B from Office Values, McKinsey Says

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Re: Remote Work to Wipe Out $800B from Office Values, McKinsey Says

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The building i currently live in is a 20+ storey apartment block that was made out of a converted office building built in the 60s. Given the housing prices in [checks notes] cities, it feels like a wave of residentializing is on the horizon.

Not an expert but I've read it's not easy to add all the necessary plumbing to provide showers and toilets if you redistribute office space into apartments.

A lot of times office buildings will have one large bathroom per floor.

Re: Remote Work to Wipe Out $800B from Office Values, McKinsey Says

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No one is asking you to come into an office just to boost their landlord's property values. That would be a money losing proposition for the company.

This is a public discussion forum, not your living room.

I don't know what this is supposed to mean. Do you think a company is asking someone to come in to the office because they're worried about their landlord's property values?

Re: Remote Work to Wipe Out $800B from Office Values, McKinsey Says

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What amazes me is that we didn't see a faster cratering in value in office space. On any given day in any capital city, perhaps 50% of office desks sit empty. Yet I can't buy an office building for cents on the dollar. Normally when supply far exceeds demand like this, companies owning those assets can't pay their bills, the building is sold, there are no buyers, auction prices crash, the crashing prices cause more c…

It's like the lead up to the mortgage crisis, except the reluctance to price the asset at its true value is plain for everyone to see.

Re: Remote Work to Wipe Out $800B from Office Values, McKinsey Says

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Indeed they're not asking ...

If a company wants someone to come back to the office, it isn't for their landlord's property value. If they have lots of free space they can sublease it out, it doesn't make any sense to force people in to an office just to burn money and miss out on revenue.

What if the leaders of the company, or company itself, is invested in similar properties?

Re: Remote Work to Wipe Out $800B from Office Values, McKinsey Says

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post #21
post #8

The building i currently live in is a 20+ storey apartment block that was made out of a converted office building built in the 60s. Given the housing prices in [checks notes] cities, it feels like a wave of residentializing is on the horizon.

Not an expert but I've read it's not easy to add all the necessary plumbing to provide showers and toilets if you redistribute office space into apartments. A lot of times office buildings will have one large bathroom per floor.

There was a time when many of us on this board lived in buildings without personal bathrooms and only shared facilities. Dorm style housing could work.

Re: Remote Work to Wipe Out $800B from Office Values, McKinsey Says

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Indeed they're not asking ...

If a company wants someone to come back to the office, it isn't for their landlord's property value. If they have lots of free space they can sublease it out, it doesn't make any sense to force people in to an office just to burn money and miss out on revenue.

What do you think are the reasons then?

Re: Remote Work to Wipe Out $800B from Office Values, McKinsey Says

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post #8

The building i currently live in is a 20+ storey apartment block that was made out of a converted office building built in the 60s. Given the housing prices in [checks notes] cities, it feels like a wave of residentializing is on the horizon.

I think most older buildings are able to be converted, but not the new types of commercial buildings.

Re: Remote Work to Wipe Out $800B from Office Values, McKinsey Says

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Indeed they're not asking ...

If a company wants someone to come back to the office, it isn't for their landlord's property value. If they have lots of free space they can sublease it out, it doesn't make any sense to force people in to an office just to burn money and miss out on revenue.

It's quite embarrassing to be paying the lease on an empty office though.

But I suspect this groupthink is not originating from individual companies.

Re: Remote Work to Wipe Out $800B from Office Values, McKinsey Says

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The building i currently live in is a 20+ storey apartment block that was made out of a converted office building built in the 60s. Given the housing prices in [checks notes] cities, it feels like a wave of residentializing is on the horizon.

Whats the layout like? Many office spaces are hard to partition into housing due to not having enough natural lighting, plumbing and other building infra that is built with offices in mind…

Re: Remote Work to Wipe Out $800B from Office Values, McKinsey Says

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Indeed they're not asking ...

If a company wants someone to come back to the office, it isn't for their landlord's property value. If they have lots of free space they can sublease it out, it doesn't make any sense to force people in to an office just to burn money and miss out on revenue.

That’s not true.

Companies get tax breaks when opening offices and warehouses / factories from local authorities and landlords have quite the sway with the latter.

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