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Shopify employee breaks NDA to reveal firm replacing laid off workers with AI

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Re: Shopify employee breaks NDA to reveal firm replacing laid off workers with AI

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At least their chatbots might be better than the ‘humans’ we spoke to a few years ago at Shopify. Atrocious company, zero ethics then and zero ethics now it appears. We moved to Wordpress/Woocommerce and have never regretted it for a second. Well, I lie… we regret ever trying wordpress.com (they are short on ethics too, such as entering and walking around your house uninvited… like the orders screen of our back-end!)…

These are businesses at scale. They're not going to hold your hand. Be reasonable.

It’s $300 USD / year for a business plan at wordpress.com. They shouldn’t have unstaffed chat an an email response time measured in days, which I’ve recently experienced.

I would say the sites I’ve dealt with are using If there’s zero support, which seems to be a general trend lately, why not self host for a fraction of the cost? At least that way I’d have the access needed to fix my own problems.

Re: Shopify employee breaks NDA to reveal firm replacing laid off workers with AI

#502

After a recent horrible experience with JetBlue customer service, it has become obvious to me that the true purpose of all "customer service" at major companies is not "solve the customer's problem" but "make the customer go away." This seems to be true regardless of whether humans or robots are involved. If humans are involved they will be low-paid hourly workers on the other side of the planet, staring at the same…

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Re: Shopify employee breaks NDA to reveal firm replacing laid off workers with AI

#503
post #340

Anyone that has ever interacted with a customer service chat bot knows this is pretty stupid. I’m not sure why people (esp. those in the tech community) think we have evolved the technology in any meaningful enough way to replace people yet. How do we know this? Those same people would be against AI chatbots replacing their children’s teachers.

I've tried Amazon's chat function and it's put me in an infinite loop on several occasions. I don't know why they didn't have an agent available (it was business hours). I was surprised that a company with Amazon's resources doesn't have a better handle on this, until I remembered that this is the company that doesn't let you say the reason is "wrong size" when returning clothing items. They're not stupid — they're t…

They also do not have an option to report an item they sent as counterfeit/fake which is amusing given how prevalent it is with their mixed bins between 3rd party items and legitimate goods.

The closest related option is "not as described" or something like that.

Even if you contact support chat that is the only option available to the advisers too.

So it's actually impossible to report something as counterfeit.

I always imagine some C-level exec looking at the stats and congratulating themselves on having no counterfeit items reported. Well done Bob! We did it again.

Re: Shopify employee breaks NDA to reveal firm replacing laid off workers with AI

#504

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Few people are "blown away" by the absolute skill level of ChatGPT. It's more that there exists an AI that can do this at all . This just wasn't a thing three years ago, and the first truly capable version (GPT 4) only become publicly accessible this year . Some things I've seen GPT 4 do is "as good as human", often better than average. For example, spotting bugs or reverse-engineering code and then writing doc comme…

You want to trust that thing to review your code? It will often give you eloquent explanations, trying to convince you that code has a certain bug, while completely missing the actual bug. You'll be gaslit into chasing down dead ends, distracted from actual issues. Example: "In JS, create a Promise that is resolved with some emitted value from an EventEmitter, or rejected if an 'error' event is emitted first. Write t…

Interesting. When I tried it (using GPT4), and told it "but won't that leak memory because we're not removing the other listener?", it gave me:

  const EventEmitter = require('events');
  let eventEmitter = new EventEmitter();

  function eventPromise(eventEmitter, eventName) {
   return new Promise((resolve, reject) => {
    const successHandler = (data) => {
     eventEmitter.off('error', errorHandler);
     resolve(data);
    };

    const errorHandler = (error) => {
     eventEmitter.off(eventName, successHandler);
     reject(error);
    };

    eventEmitter.once(eventName, successHandler);
    eventEmitter.once('error', errorHandler);
   });
  }

  // Use like so:
  eventPromise(eventEmitter, 'data').then(console.log).catch(console.error);
Which seems to be what you're asking for?

https://chat.openai.com/share/89cf1cc8-4ae1-40f6-aa34-0629eb...

Re: Shopify employee breaks NDA to reveal firm replacing laid off workers with AI

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post #35

This is good for society just like any productivity enhancing invention. You'd think a place like HN would know that the only way the world has ever gotten better has been innovation improving per-human output.

I very much disagree with this idea of productivity being good in and of itself. I don't think that is controversial here. To the contrary, I think your view is controversial.

Re: Shopify employee breaks NDA to reveal firm replacing laid off workers with AI

#506

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No I prefer to use a normal user interface.

Automated customer support usually has a normal user interface.

I mean a window with fields and buttons. Why use hit and miss voice or text interfaces?

Re: Shopify employee breaks NDA to reveal firm replacing laid off workers with AI

#508

After a recent horrible experience with JetBlue customer service, it has become obvious to me that the true purpose of all "customer service" at major companies is not "solve the customer's problem" but "make the customer go away." This seems to be true regardless of whether humans or robots are involved. If humans are involved they will be low-paid hourly workers on the other side of the planet, staring at the same…

All you need to do is to speak the magic codeword, charge back.

Perhaps a small claims court would be better. Large companies really hate those because they have to send an actual person and they might lose.

Re: Shopify employee breaks NDA to reveal firm replacing laid off workers with AI

#509

After a recent horrible experience with JetBlue customer service, it has become obvious to me that the true purpose of all "customer service" at major companies is not "solve the customer's problem" but "make the customer go away." This seems to be true regardless of whether humans or robots are involved. If humans are involved they will be low-paid hourly workers on the other side of the planet, staring at the same…

As someone who's worked in customer service: you would not believe the number of people who contact customer service with "I've lost my password", even though there is a "lost password" link right on the login page. These people are helped by the service agent following a script and clicking the link on their behalf. This is what the AI will replace.

For many businesses it's not profitable to serve customers whose issues make them fall outside the golden path of standard procedures: an average call center employee can cost $30 for a complex customer question, if you add up all cost associated from the employees involved, obliterating any margin from that customer. I doubt that AI will change this much. So if you have a question that someone with HN-level IQ cannot resolve themselves then customer service cannot profitably help you. The best you can hope for is that someone will create a ticket that someone else will look at at some point if a lot of similar tickets accumulate.

Re: Shopify employee breaks NDA to reveal firm replacing laid off workers with AI

#510

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this isn’t mom&pop shops, these are big business who spent a lifetime stealing whenever they can and are now not even having workers check people out but we as shoppers should be honest…

The thing is, these stores budget for loss (shrink). The problem is when they go over this budget, the store will need to reduce costs to cover their larger shrink budget. The largest cost for stores is employees. The executives and corporate don't lose hours, the low level employees do. You might think you are sticking it to the man, but in reality you are screwing over the low level employees

if by “low level employees” you mean myself who is using self-checkout lane to do the work for “the man” then I agree 100%
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