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Borderline personality disorder: a spurious condition?

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Re: Borderline personality disorder: a spurious condition?

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Post by smt88 »

drewcoo wrote: post #58
smt88 wrote: post #43

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> The issue with personality disorders is whether something is a positive or negative is a subjective evaluation. Homosexuality was once considered a personality disorder. It is (and was) easy to see that homosexuality is not a personality disorder because it doesn't harm anyone. On the other hand, narcissism and BPD are harmful to both the person exhibiting the associated behaviors and to the people around them. Nar…

> It is (and was) easy to see that homosexuality is not a personality disorder because it doesn't harm anyone. That kind of rewriting of history ignores the torture people like Alan Turing went through for being found out. It dishonors them by writing them out of the past.

I have no idea what in my comment you're responding to. I'm saying that practicing homosexuality has always been victimless, whereas practicing narcissism is not.

I'm not at all forgetting the millions of people persecuted for something that harms no one.

Re: Borderline personality disorder: a spurious condition?

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Post by hirvi74 »

willcipriano wrote: post #33
zadler wrote: post #5

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Say a bit more about the headspace

My wife has it, mainly she is unable to conceptualize that she is wrong and thus never learns from experience. For example she started a lawsuit against the neighbors, that she funnels tens of thousands of dollars toward because she thought the property line was further into their yard than it actually is. She recently told me we own the entire town and made some nonsensical statements to justify that belief. I'm goi…

If you have evidence for what you just described, do you really think the courts would side in her favor? (Honest question)

I wish you the best of luck, and I hope you find a way out sooner rather than later.

Re: Borderline personality disorder: a spurious condition?

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Post by hirvi74 »

jychang wrote: post #17
christkv wrote: post #11

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I've known two women who were diagnosed with BPD that later turned out to be Autism. Their doctors believe BPD traits developed due to the issues their autism had on their socialisation as kids and teens. Getting on Ritalin massively improved their and their families lives. At least in women I suspect more than a few BDP diagnosis mask autism.

Does Ritalin improve autism? It’s an ADHD drug.

Stimulants improve a lot of things -- ADHD, Depression, Binge Eating Disorder, Narcolepsy, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, etc..

It wouldn't surprise me if stimulants improved Austism in some individuals because, if I recall correctly, I think 60%-70% of people with Autism have ADHD as well.

Re: Borderline personality disorder: a spurious condition?

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Post by willcipriano »

hirvi74 wrote: post #82
willcipriano wrote: post #33

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My wife has it, mainly she is unable to conceptualize that she is wrong and thus never learns from experience. For example she started a lawsuit against the neighbors, that she funnels tens of thousands of dollars toward because she thought the property line was further into their yard than it actually is. She recently told me we own the entire town and made some nonsensical statements to justify that belief. I'm goi…

If you have evidence for what you just described, do you really think the courts would side in her favor? (Honest question) I wish you the best of luck, and I hope you find a way out sooner rather than later.

Depends, she will tell any lie she can to serve her purposes. Other people in my situation have reported, mostly male judges being sympathetic to BPD women. I fell for it, she had me believing that every man before me was a terrible abuser, they probably weren't.

Generally speaking men tend to get every other weekend, maybe a dinner on a off week. I can't risk my kid being subjected to her worst days alone.

Re: Borderline personality disorder: a spurious condition?

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Post by lostmsu »

coldtea wrote: post #73
meepmorp wrote: post #70

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Yeah, and the idea that you need to have a relationship with and/or respect your parents purely because they produced you has been bad for people for millennia. Getting away from abusive people (if indeed that is the situation with one's parents) is a good thing, and pressure to have such a relationship despite the harm to oneself is a bad thing.

> has been bad for people for millennia I don't know, it's not like we have some successful high ground as a society...

No major wars since WW2?

Re: Borderline personality disorder: a spurious condition?

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Post by hirvi74 »

willcipriano wrote: post #84
hirvi74 wrote: post #82

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If you have evidence for what you just described, do you really think the courts would side in her favor? (Honest question) I wish you the best of luck, and I hope you find a way out sooner rather than later.

Depends, she will tell any lie she can to serve her purposes. Other people in my situation have reported, mostly male judges being sympathetic to BPD women. I fell for it, she had me believing that every man before me was a terrible abuser, they probably weren't. Generally speaking men tend to get every other weekend, maybe a dinner on a off week. I can't risk my kid being subjected to her worst days alone.

> Other people in my situation have reported, mostly male judges being sympathetic to BPD women.

That is awful if that is truly the case. You are a far kinder soul than I am -- I would be scheme and connive every way I possibly could to set this woman up.

> I can't risk my kid being subjected to her worst days alone.

I can tell you are a great father. A far better man than I am capable of being. If you ever need someone to vent to, shoulder to cry on, etc. never hesitate to shoot me an email (in profile).

Re: Borderline personality disorder: a spurious condition?

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Post by deepfriedchokes »

willcipriano wrote: post #64
ganbatekudasai wrote: post #59

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I am familiar with the symptoms. I still think you deal with an actual narcissist, not with someone with BPD. The symptoms may have some overlap, but it's different. For example, where in that article do you see that people with BPD can be so straight up delusional that they think they "own the town"? Notice that the words "lie" or "lying" do not even appear in the article. In my experience, presenting a BPD-afflicte…

She may have something more, she isnt honest with anyone including therapists so its certainly possible. However, you kinda have to be there but she didn't arrive at owning the town all at once but a series of escalations over years. It all started a few years after we moved in. She started claiming the property line was further back and I corrected her. Unable to admit she was wrong she started going off on me, I le…

Unable to admit being wrong is narcissistic personality disorder. Do some research it’s fascinating.

Re: Borderline personality disorder: a spurious condition?

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Post by Apfel »

ganbatekudasai wrote: post #77
Apfel wrote: post #74

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Mind if I ask you if you've got experience in this regard? It's a horrible situation to deal with for family members so I'd love to know how to escape the pain we all feel.

Yes, I have strong experience with that. You can look at my other comments in the thread for a bit more insight, but I'd also gladly help answering any other questions, as much as I can from own my experiences of course. Note though that the people that were successfully treated (so it seems to me) were willing to be treated. They realized themselves that their emotional response appears different. A large part of it…

Great comment, thanks. We've tried to help her break out of it when it starts to kick off. What you said about addressing it at the point the feedback loop kicks in is kind of what we've been trying.

Sometimes it seems to actually work but the condition seems to adapt to any consistent mechanism to calm her down.

Re: Borderline personality disorder: a spurious condition?

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Post by willcipriano »

hirvi74 wrote: post #86
willcipriano wrote: post #84

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Depends, she will tell any lie she can to serve her purposes. Other people in my situation have reported, mostly male judges being sympathetic to BPD women. I fell for it, she had me believing that every man before me was a terrible abuser, they probably weren't. Generally speaking men tend to get every other weekend, maybe a dinner on a off week. I can't risk my kid being subjected to her worst days alone.

> Other people in my situation have reported, mostly male judges being sympathetic to BPD women. That is awful if that is truly the case. You are a far kinder soul than I am -- I would be scheme and connive every way I possibly could to set this woman up. > I can't risk my kid being subjected to her worst days alone. I can tell you are a great father. A far better man than I am capable of being. If you ever need some…

Thanks man, she's a great kid so she makes it easy.

Re: Borderline personality disorder: a spurious condition?

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Post by coldtea »

lostmsu wrote: post #85
coldtea wrote: post #73

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> has been bad for people for millennia I don't know, it's not like we have some successful high ground as a society...

No major wars since WW2?

That's because the European powers got obliterated in WW2 and US secured the top position, making their previous in-fighting for European and global dominance (which caused WWI and WW2) moot. Not only they couldn't even attempt to secure more power, they even lost what remained of their colonial "empires" around that time.

Post-WW2, the US as the new top dog going to grab its global spoils, went on to fight, directly (Korea, Vietnam, all the way to the modern invasions) and indirectly fuel all kinds of peripheral wars, and if the USSR was in better status and had a firmer grip globally, a major war could have been on the cards too, it came close at several times, like the Bay of Pigs. But they folded by themselves (plus there was this "mutual assured destruction thing").

So, it's more like senile people in some elderly hospice bragging how peaceful they are that they don't get into bar fights anymore - when neither their age and health, nor the conditions they're now in would make any sense for them to do so.

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