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Big Tech as the New Big Tobacco

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Re: Big Tech as the New Big Tobacco

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Apple sells devices and consumer services. Microsoft sells an OS and Office suite to businesses. Amazon is a retail marketplace and a cloud operator. Nvidia sells graphics cards. Adobe sells graphics software. Netflix makes movies and TV. Intel, AMD, Qualcomm and Texas Instruments all design chipsets. Salesforce sells CRM. Oracle, IBM, Cisco and the like all sell various business services. Go down the list of big tec…

A lot of the companies you mentioned have non trivial investments in ads. I recently was surprised to find how big of an ad business Adobe has for example. Not sure that these companies would cease to exist if it weren’t for advertising but ads do influence these companies’ products.

remember ads are not "showing a picture of sugar water to promote sales", they are surveillance, identification and manipulation.

Re: Big Tech as the New Big Tobacco

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That ship has sailed. “Tech” is simply a positioning or branding term. Meta and Amazon are businesses that depend on developing technology (so are true tech companies as much as NVIDIA or Apple) but nowadays “tech” merely means at best “online”. Most so-called “tech” companies don’t actually develop any technology at all, often being less technical than a non-“tech” company like, say, State Farm. The term has become…

My personal test for this is: what percentage of the company's total value is comprised of the intellectual property their software source code holds. The higher the percentage the more of a "tech" company you are - the lower the more "traditional" you are. No company will ever be 100% - all companies have other assets that are worth money and even a company that sells software as its main product might have lots of…

Isn't that a test for a software company?

Texas Instruments' value is mostly in their integrated circuits IP (as well as manufacturing prowess, process knowledge, and a little bit of software). They're still solidly a "tech" company in my books.

Re: Big Tech as the New Big Tobacco

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Poverty rates worldwide have been going downward at a decent pace since the late 1800s, and really started plummeting faster between the mid-1990s and today. Here are some cheery graphs: https://ourworldindata.org/extreme-poverty-in-brief That doesn't mean that everyone is rich, but it is actually a really big deal . Next time you're tempted to write a phrase like "watching the world becoming ever more desperate" whe…

My point is exactly this misguided view of the world, that the global north can live lives of insane decadence, built on its history and continued plundering of the global south, while expecting them to find a reduction in extreme poverty as ameliorative. Your comment only reminds me that liberals are people who believe that luxury can exist without the suffering of others. There is no path in the current Capitalist…

Just like how no policy has killed more people then Communism&Socialism nothing has saved more lives and increased the standard of living for more people then Capitalism.

Re: Big Tech as the New Big Tobacco

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Apple sells devices and consumer services. Microsoft sells an OS and Office suite to businesses. Amazon is a retail marketplace and a cloud operator. Nvidia sells graphics cards. Adobe sells graphics software. Netflix makes movies and TV. Intel, AMD, Qualcomm and Texas Instruments all design chipsets. Salesforce sells CRM. Oracle, IBM, Cisco and the like all sell various business services. Go down the list of big tec…

Microsoft Windows now has ads even inside the Solitaire game among many other places, Amazon is putting ads everywhere including their cardboard boxes ("House of the Dragon" et al), and when you serch something to buy there sometimes all you see above the fold are ads (related products but ads nonetheless), Netflix now has "ad-supported" plans for some countries, the article may be overstating the problem but you are understating it.

Re: Big Tech as the New Big Tobacco

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My point is exactly this misguided view of the world, that the global north can live lives of insane decadence, built on its history and continued plundering of the global south, while expecting them to find a reduction in extreme poverty as ameliorative. Your comment only reminds me that liberals are people who believe that luxury can exist without the suffering of others. There is no path in the current Capitalist…

Just like how no policy has killed more people then Communism&Socialism nothing has saved more lives and increased the standard of living for more people then Capitalism.

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Re: Big Tech as the New Big Tobacco

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Sharply increasing suicide rates among teens due to social media isn't something to just shrug off, either.

Do you know what had the largest impact on suicide rates of teens in recent years? Them returning to schools after covid. Could it be that things can, at the same time, have both positive and negative effects on people?

Have you considered the impact social media has on in person dynamics amongst school age kids?

Insanely naive take.

Re: Big Tech as the New Big Tobacco

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Apple sells devices and consumer services. Microsoft sells an OS and Office suite to businesses. Amazon is a retail marketplace and a cloud operator. Nvidia sells graphics cards. Adobe sells graphics software. Netflix makes movies and TV. Intel, AMD, Qualcomm and Texas Instruments all design chipsets. Salesforce sells CRM. Oracle, IBM, Cisco and the like all sell various business services. Go down the list of big tec…

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Re: Big Tech as the New Big Tobacco

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I'm seeing religion that way. It's hard to go to dinner without the prayer drifting over from other tables, and even in LA most restaurants don't have no prayer zones yet. We have known for years that it's not good for anyone, but they have tough lobbyists, so getting rid of the problem just seems impossible. We all accept somehow that sports figures and celebrities endorse the product - they're adults. We accept tha…

I legitimately can't tell if this is satire or not. > [E]ven in LA most restaurants don't have no prayer zones yet No municipality in a region with a bill of rights providing freedom of religion is going to create no prayer zones. > It's hard to go to dinner without the prayer drifting over from other tables This makes me think this is satire...

> I legitimately can't tell if this is satire or not.

I mean... really? It's clearly satire. And fairly well constructed prose imo.

What the author's actual point is, though, I have absolutely no idea. Maybe there is no point, and it's just pretty prose.

Re: Big Tech as the New Big Tobacco

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https://publicknowledge.org/is-this-really-big-techs-big-tob... tldr; The testimony of one of the Facebook "whistleblowers" drew the analogy to Big Tobacco from Sen. Blumenthal back in 2021.^1 But in 1995 Congress took action after Wigand^2 testified. None of Big Tech's leakers so far have triggered action by Congress. Even more, in the 1990's there was at least 10 years of litigation before there was legislative act…

Also, Wigand had the FDA. What is the equivalent federal agency tasked with regulating Big Tech. It does not exist. Yet.

https://www.jeffreywigand.com/pascagoula.php

According to the Washington Post, Wigand was making $300,000 at the time he leaked. In today's dollars, that's $594,784.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-most-famous-whistleb...

Honestly, 60 Minutes today feels nothing it was in the days of Mike Wallace or even Andy Rooney. It mostly treats Big Tech with a sort of "awe". Sometimes the show feels like an agent of the US military-industrial complex. In retrospect Mike Wallace looks like a journalist one could only wish for today. 60 Minutes is soft.

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