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Journalists should be skeptical of all sources including scientists

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Re: Journalists should be skeptical of all sources including scientists

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There are professional journalists out there who in most organizations will get into hot water or lose their jobs if they fabricate news or sources.

They will have biases, they will make mistakes, but most of them will do at least some due diligence, and together with fact checkers - this is the best we have.

Accept that and move on - or sit there and tell yourself that "nothing is true, nothing is real". Get your news from @HotJerseyGirl1998.

Re: Journalists should be skeptical of all sources including scientists

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Big question: HOW? Most journalists in the USA receive basically zero scientific education. At university I majored in two STEM subjects but also took 10 courses in Philosophy, Art, History, Journalism, and Economics. Almost no one majoring in any of those fields except Econ took more than 2-3 STEM courses, and even then there a dedicated watered down courses to ensure those people could graduate (Algebra instead of…

In the past, wasn't it normal for journalists to have a particular specialization (even if that's not the _only_ thing they did), like "science reporter" or something? It is obviously impossible for every reporter to become an expert on every single topic that they might ever cover, but it is not unreasonable at all to get enough of a background on a topic that you cover regularly to be able to ask intelligent questi…

Ideally, but AFAICT that's not how it works.

I have given a number of interviews to "Science" journalists, in two occasions even for science-focused publications. In each case I began the interview by asking the journalist to tell me about their coursework and self-study background so I can be sure to meet them where they are. In only one case have I met a science reporter who I'd consider minimally competent to report on science -- rather than eg write puff pieces -- and that reporter was educated in Europe.

Re: Journalists should be skeptical of all sources including scientists

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post #10

Big question: HOW? Most journalists in the USA receive basically zero scientific education. At university I majored in two STEM subjects but also took 10 courses in Philosophy, Art, History, Journalism, and Economics. Almost no one majoring in any of those fields except Econ took more than 2-3 STEM courses, and even then there a dedicated watered down courses to ensure those people could graduate (Algebra instead of…

Often the best way to be productively skeptical is to ask questions and get more sources? It can be frustrating for some scientific figureheads, but the adage of "no dumb questions" came to be for a reason.

And don't get led astray by looking for "productivity." So much advancement is lost on the alter of efficiency and productivity. Yes, if you know the correct next move to make, do it. But don't discount exploration and general play.

Re: Journalists should be skeptical of all sources including scientists

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One very obvious thing to consider is how a paper, whether it’s philosophy or physics, was funded and which grants the authors received and from who. So many conclusions and biases are driven by funding mechanisms, sometimes it’s corporate and sometimes it’s government but the devil is always in the details and there is no safe or superior source of funding.

Re: Journalists should be skeptical of all sources including scientists

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Big question: HOW? Most journalists in the USA receive basically zero scientific education. At university I majored in two STEM subjects but also took 10 courses in Philosophy, Art, History, Journalism, and Economics. Almost no one majoring in any of those fields except Econ took more than 2-3 STEM courses, and even then there a dedicated watered down courses to ensure those people could graduate (Algebra instead of…

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Re: Journalists should be skeptical of all sources including scientists

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Perhaps it's because I'm not a native speaker but I have no idea what you're trying to tell me. I'm trying to take the most positive interpretation and that you're saying that you're putting me into some right-wing lunatic fringe corner that's somehow pro-Russia? I honestly don't know. And... you never asked a question?

Perhaps read this https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, especially where it's about comments. I'm not the best example of always following them myself but I'm having a hard time extracting anyting of value from your comment. Sorry.

Re: Journalists should be skeptical of all sources including scientists

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Your comment reminds me of this line from the submission: "There’s also a generational divide in journalism, with younger journalists tending to be more openly left/progressive than their older peers — and tending to be more Manichean in dividing the world between good and evil rather than proceeding from the notion that people and news stories are complicated and it’s not particularly their job to pass moral judgmen…

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Re: Journalists should be skeptical of all sources including scientists

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Big question: HOW? Most journalists in the USA receive basically zero scientific education. At university I majored in two STEM subjects but also took 10 courses in Philosophy, Art, History, Journalism, and Economics. Almost no one majoring in any of those fields except Econ took more than 2-3 STEM courses, and even then there a dedicated watered down courses to ensure those people could graduate (Algebra instead of…

Often the best way to be productively skeptical is to ask questions and get more sources? It can be frustrating for some scientific figureheads, but the adage of "no dumb questions" came to be for a reason. And don't get led astray by looking for "productivity." So much advancement is lost on the alter of efficiency and productivity. Yes, if you know the correct next move to make, do it. But don't discount exploratio…

But who? And what questions do you ask? Without a baseline, you're poking around in the dark. Or knocking on the same 20 doors at the same 20 universities, and all those people talk to each other and they and their students all sit on each others' grant review committees. Etc. And when two scientists disagree about the evidence, how do you determine whether one of them is a total quack? Or do you just report everything that everyone says as long as they say big words you don't know?

It's really easy to be unproductively skeptical. Never believe anything. Everything is a lie or a conspiracy. That's not particularly productive, though, because although it protects you from lies and bad actors it will never get you to the truth.

Re: Journalists should be skeptical of all sources including scientists

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The biggest error a considered, good-faith journalist typically makes is "Presenting both sides" without comment when one of them is an established consensus with abundant supporting evidence. If you go looking for a fringe outside perspective on an issue, or the motivated reasoning of somebody who stands to gain by a bit of sophistry, you will probably eventually be able to find one presented by a PhD. That is not h…

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