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There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

kardianos wrote: post #7

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Isn't this more scary? If the earths core was really the cause of warming, then it is really unlikely we can do anything to stop it.

This is what I don't get about climate deniers justifying we shouldn't do anything because it is NOT 'Human-Caused'.

If it is 'Human-Caused' we could possibly do something by changing our behavior.

If it is NOT 'Human-Caused' then we really don't have many options.

By saying it isn't 'humans' causing this, they are both more defeatist, more doom, and also more irrational by acknowledging something is happening but we still shouldn't do anything.

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by g8oz »

nancyhn wrote: post #28
jmclnx wrote: post #10

Then there is this: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66256101 >in fact I'm very pessimistic about achieving even 2C In the US, the GOP refused to do anything and held the US hostage so they could cash in by taking bribes from the fossil fuel industry. The other party was too afraid to stand up to the GOP and fossil fuel industry, so nothing at all was done except talk. All the hot air from the pols taking…

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Your skepticism needs better metrics. And you are greatly underestimating the intensity of American/Western emissions and greatly overestimating the increase of those in developing nations. Sweden plus Norway, total population 16 million, have greater emissions than that of Bangladesh, a nation with 169 million people.

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by megaman821 »

nancyhn wrote: post #28
jmclnx wrote: post #10

Then there is this: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66256101 >in fact I'm very pessimistic about achieving even 2C In the US, the GOP refused to do anything and held the US hostage so they could cash in by taking bribes from the fossil fuel industry. The other party was too afraid to stand up to the GOP and fossil fuel industry, so nothing at all was done except talk. All the hot air from the pols taking…

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The best thing the US can do is make sure developing nations have the capability to manufacture, deploy and support carbon-free technologies. That's billions of people that can skip the polluting part of the industrial age.

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by [deleted] »

nancyhn wrote: post #39
V__ wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do people always try to equate climate-neutrality with poverty? Or that escaping poverty has to be co2 intensive? Those aren't related at all.

Because they are focused on fossil fuels, which are responsible for both CO2 emissions and increasing standard of living, including reduction of climate related deaths. The real solution is to use a better base load fuel source, which would be nuclear, but they're not pushing for that. That necessarily means they are advocating poverty.

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Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by [deleted] »

g8oz wrote: post #42
nancyhn wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Your skepticism needs better metrics. And you are greatly underestimating the intensity of American/Western emissions and greatly overestimating the increase of those in developing nations. Sweden plus Norway, total population 16 million, have greater emissions than that of Bangladesh, a nation with 169 million people.

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Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by V__ »

nancyhn wrote: post #39
V__ wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do people always try to equate climate-neutrality with poverty? Or that escaping poverty has to be co2 intensive? Those aren't related at all.

Because they are focused on fossil fuels, which are responsible for both CO2 emissions and increasing standard of living, including reduction of climate related deaths. The real solution is to use a better base load fuel source, which would be nuclear, but they're not pushing for that. That necessarily means they are advocating poverty.

It is a solution. Just like wind/solar/hydro/geothermal/batteries are ones. None of which require poverty. I agree, that fossil fuels increased the standard of living, but that doesn't mean that it's/was the only way or that other countries have to follow suit to increase their standards of living right now.

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by mxkopy »

nancyhn wrote: post #39
V__ wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do people always try to equate climate-neutrality with poverty? Or that escaping poverty has to be co2 intensive? Those aren't related at all.

Because they are focused on fossil fuels, which are responsible for both CO2 emissions and increasing standard of living, including reduction of climate related deaths. The real solution is to use a better base load fuel source, which would be nuclear, but they're not pushing for that. That necessarily means they are advocating poverty.

When did anyone disavow nuclear?

I think the OP’s point was that fossil fuel and co. caused climate change and should be held responsible. How you could infer that they want the U.S. to be poor from that, I have no clue.

The only reasonable explanation is a pro-fossil fuel agenda.

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by cinntaile »

olouv wrote: post #9

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It's fascinating to see that there are two mentions of the same source in this thread. A bit scary too, as if this random internet guy somehow is a more trustworthy source of truth than people that research this subject for a living.

Re: There’s a heatwave in the sea and scientists are worried

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Post by nancyhn »

megaman821 wrote: post #43
nancyhn wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The best thing the US can do is make sure developing nations have the capability to manufacture, deploy and support carbon-free technologies. That's billions of people that can skip the polluting part of the industrial age.

Yes, exactly, that should be the focus.
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