Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

Post by crimsontech » Fri, Jul 21, 2023, 2:35 AM UTC

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I'll also play Devil's advocate even though I'm a very vocal advocate for data privacy in real life. These government agents are people as well, and as people they'll suffer to wade through the dark corners of the web to locate a minuscule part of all the CP data available worldwide. These people will inevitably require mental care to deal with the trauma of looking at GiBs and GiBs of small kids being raped, that's…

I know LLMs aren’t a magic bullet for everything, but this seems like exactly the kind of problem they could solve well as they become more cost effective. Dramatically shrink the pool of real people required to keep an eye on this, and sub in virtual agents adept at detecting CP patterns. Security back doors also carry the risk of having the opposite effect. We’ve seen many examples of powerful, nation state develop…

Post by hot_gril » Fri, Jul 21, 2023, 3:21 AM UTC

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This is a scam by the UK government, they don't care about child abuse, they are going to look into all sorts of communications to leverage people. If they cared about child abuse they would have shut down the open child prostitution rings running rampant. They openly let it continue because they are afraid of being branded racist since the gangs running them are minorities. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_ch…

"Think of the children" is always the reason rights (good or bad) get taken away.

Post by wilg » Fri, Jul 21, 2023, 4:06 AM UTC

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Because it makes people look like pathetic muppets. If you mean "Fuck Joe Biden", say "Fuck Joe Biden", don't clutch your damn pearls about it.

When the majority uses vulgarities, how does not using vulgarity make one a muppet? I’d also consider the Muppets rather avant-garde for their time, so maybe you mean it as a complement as in Gonzo, Fozzy, or Beaker (or any other pathetic Muppet).

Post by IshKebab » Fri, Jul 21, 2023, 5:47 AM UTC

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Nobody in the UK uses iMessage. Not sure about Facetime but it's definitely not anything anyone relies on. This is a meaningless threat.

There aren’t many other widely used easily accessible services with as good video call quality as FaceTime in the UK. WhatsApp VC is trash.

Post by midoridensha » Fri, Jul 21, 2023, 5:53 AM UTC

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Yes, this is something a lot of people don't think about: What is acceptable (even legal) today may not be tomorrow, or in X years (10, 15, or more).. If we allow all our private conversations and messages to be permanently archived (and you know they will be, disk space is effectively infinite), who is to say that wouldn't be used against us in the future when laws, or even social standards, have drastically changed…

You can demonstrate this to folks with a very recent change in government: Abortion and LGBT rights. How much do you want to bet states like Texas or Florida will use government surveillance to prosecute folks seeking medical care? I give it a month before we hear about someone being charged with some form of conspiracy to leave the state before their poor kids are taken. "Exhibit A will show the defendants intent to…