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Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by commoner »

JSavageOne wrote: post #205
DANmode wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't see why "open source" must imply that anyone should be allowed to fork the repo Apart from 20+ years of historical use in that way?

You're completely misrepresenting my quote by cutting off the "and sell it" at the end, that's incredibly disingenuous. MIT license restrict commercialization. Is the MIT license not open source then?

The MIT License does not restrict commercialization aside from requiring attribution. In fact, the text of the license includes the phrase "without restriction":

> Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:

> The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_License

Open source software licenses have always allowed the licensed software to be resold by others. The very first criterion in the Open Source Definition is:

> 1. Free Redistribution

> The license shall not restrict any party from selling or giving away the software as a component of an aggregate software distribution containing programs from several different sources. The license shall not require a royalty or other fee for such sale.

https://opensource.org/osd/

The "Any Source Available License 1.0" is not an open source software license because it restricts commercial use, but it happens to be correctly named because it is a source-available software license. Source-available software (such as Anytype) is still preferable to proprietary software with little to no source code published (such as Notion), since it is easier to audit software when the source code is available.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by chunsj »

I think this is a great application/service. You can have source code, self-hosting, and construct your own network of your devices. Nice work, thank you.

Maybe some kind of P2P network support web browser - without someone's server - would be nice but this does require so much more work, I assume.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by kirso »

rodrigodlu wrote: post #54

Painful to import things from Logseq or Obsidian. It imports one md at a time, and the 'zip' thing does not click me. It seem to focus too much on individual collections and pages and investing time upfront thinking about how to organize and navigate. Awesome replacement for some things I had in OneNote, thou. Like an easy personal wiki. But logseq (and as a second choice obsidian) is taking my heart because the acti…

Logseq's journal is the biggest productivity hack we got that we never thought we needed.

Don't know where to put the idea, note or just a scribble? You have a 2022-05-12 page without the cognitive load or confusion.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by matthiaswh »

kirso wrote: post #223
rodrigodlu wrote: post #54

Painful to import things from Logseq or Obsidian. It imports one md at a time, and the 'zip' thing does not click me. It seem to focus too much on individual collections and pages and investing time upfront thinking about how to organize and navigate. Awesome replacement for some things I had in OneNote, thou. Like an easy personal wiki. But logseq (and as a second choice obsidian) is taking my heart because the acti…

Logseq's journal is the biggest productivity hack we got that we never thought we needed. Don't know where to put the idea, note or just a scribble? You have a 2022-05-12 page without the cognitive load or confusion.

Let's be cautious where we attribute credit. Daily journaling has been a thing for, oh, centuries.

At the very least Zim has had the same journal feature dating back over a decade. I'm sure others can't point to similar software stretching back at least another decade before that.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by neodymiumphish »

fuksman wrote: post #122
taink wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's useless if the client also sends the same data to Any's node. You can't disable that for now: Self-hosting only without a backup node is currently unavailable The self-hosting-only feature is not released yet. If you don’t want to use Anytype node and instead use p2p sync between your devices, you can block Anytype network traffic (Anytype & Anytype Helper) via your firewall. From https://doc.anytype.io/d/data…

Thank you for the heads-up, we released the self-hosting ability yesterday and didn't update the docs. Now it's been updated; self-hosting is available: https://tech.anytype.io/how-to/self-hosting

Been following/trying Anytype since early Alpha. Congrats on this big shift. My biggest concern was that there was never really enough to promote/allow self-hosting up to this point. Excited to see where things go from here!!!

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by dspillett »

pronkin wrote: post #161
dspillett wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your goals sound laudable, but they do not alter the fact that your use of the term “open source” is, deliberately or otherwise, misleading. > Our philosophy surrounding open-source is uncomplicated and clear. It does not appear to be the case that your philosophy surrounding open-source is clear. You state very clearly, without caveats, that the product is open-source, which strongly implies that the product is, wel…

Most of our repositories are MIT licensed, which holds significant value. Some of our repositories are source-available. We believe we are building an open-source product, and we reserve the right to define what 'open-source' means for us. Our only prohibition is against competitors making minor modifications and then selling our product. Our position on this is clear. We recognize that our definition may not align w…

While language is by nature subjective and ever changing, be careful defending the right to redefine commonly understood terms so significantly. By the same measure people could choose to interpret anything you say, including your other license agreements, however they like!

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by hosh »

adr1an wrote: post #201
hosh wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although a big selling point for Anytype is that it is local-first. My main gripe with Evernote now, is that in its effort to be a collaborative app, there is a lot of network latency for edits on my mobile device. By comparison, NotesNook is local-first and super fast.

I forgot to mention, affine.pro is self-hostable too... and it doesn't require any account registration whatsoever on their website.

What I mean by “local-first” is not the same as “self-host”. Local-first software are architected in a way where the local device is the source of truth. It usually uses CDRTs or something like git to sync with other peers. It is not a client-server architecture. Uploading files to a personal server is more of designating the server as a peer and regularly syncing with it, similar to how git works with remote repos.

Local-first architecture allows for better control over what you are storing. For me though, local-first architecture lets me take notes with little latency, and I don’t have to wait for timeouts so that the app realizes it is offline. I just want to get to typing in my note quickly and think about syncs later.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by guilhas »

pronkin wrote: post #161
dspillett wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your goals sound laudable, but they do not alter the fact that your use of the term “open source” is, deliberately or otherwise, misleading. > Our philosophy surrounding open-source is uncomplicated and clear. It does not appear to be the case that your philosophy surrounding open-source is clear. You state very clearly, without caveats, that the product is open-source, which strongly implies that the product is, wel…

Most of our repositories are MIT licensed, which holds significant value. Some of our repositories are source-available. We believe we are building an open-source product, and we reserve the right to define what 'open-source' means for us. Our only prohibition is against competitors making minor modifications and then selling our product. Our position on this is clear. We recognize that our definition may not align w…

Source available, of client and server, is definitely better than no source

I do think open source business model, especially consumer, is difficult to tackle, while protecting the creator

So congratulations and good luck

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by johnnyworker »

smokel wrote: post #30
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #18

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Operating systems should be providing spellcheck to textboxes everywhere anyway. Makes no sense every app rolling their own and not using my operating system dictionary with my own corrections. Extremely frustrating every Electron app just rolls their own rubbish spellcheck, or doesn't have it at all.

That's an interesting take on things. Would you want your operating system to provide a web browser, pdf viewer, and spreadsheet as well? To me it makes no sense that software does not interoperate very well. I think most of this is due to the historical evolution of computers and software. A spell checker used to take up an insane amount of memory, a browser is a competitive product, and interfaces for proper intera…

I wouldn't want the OS to do spell checking, but the OS having a config setting for which spell checker library and settings to use by default and for specific apps would be sweet, would it not?

> A spell checker used to take up an insane amount of memory

IMO they still do. At least anecdotally, with free software shipping with spell check that often makes up a hefty chunk of the file size.

And even ignoring that, for every program with its own spell check, you have all of the redundant spell check data, and then your corrections/additions aren't even shared. Nevermind importing them on a freshly installed OS, syncing them between devices, futuristic things like that :)

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by iudqnolq »

Not to write the classic Dropbox comment, but can't you just do this with any of the notion alternatives based around local markdown files (i.e. obsidian, logseq). Just have local e2e encryption on your laptop and point the app at a shared folder with in-transit encryption (i.e. Syncthing).
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