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Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by pperi11 »

emptysongglass wrote: post #40

I'm sorry to hijack the thread but as someone forced to use Notion as a team wiki, please improve the performance! I can't emphasize this enough. The Notion subreddit is filled with complaints: if that's not a wake up call to every single PM at Notion, I don't know what is. Stop shipping features until the perf is a joy to your users. It's mind-boggling to me that companies would prio anything over fixing perf outsid…

Notion is definitely quite slow

But I also think a lot of companies in the same stage as Notion have fallen into the trap of shipping features (namely AI features) ahead of fixing perf bugs

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by pronkin »

TTTZ wrote: post #183
mostlysimilar wrote: post #182

Very excited to see an alternative to Notion that checks so many of the boxes I care about, especially local-first control of my data. It would be nice if you would let me opt out of all of your telemetry. I know it's useful for development but I've had to block outbound requests to Sentry, Amplitude, and Graylog already. I would also like the ability to entirely disable cloud-anything, including backup.

To allow analytics opt-out is on the roadmap for 2023Q3

You can make a fork, disable analytics and make your own build. We plan to make smooth anlytics opt-out later this year.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by pronkin »

_visgean wrote: post #174

Hmm I don't understand whats the benefit of having my notes on p2p network. Usually when it comes to notes I would prefer them to be private. Here I have some vague claim that the cryptographic key is safe enough. Well ok but what is the advantage here? Also the local first approach here just seems like a local storage on a disk. Not great. Essentially if I move notes from notion to here I am going from a service tha…

By default, your account is created on the machine. You can use it without connecting to any network. We allow you to sync notes in a peer-to-peer way in local networks, or over the Anytype network (or your self-hosted network) via the internet. Currently, you can sync notes among your devices. Soon, you'll be able to collaborate with others using end-to-end encryption. I can't agree that the claim about the key is vague, as there is documentation and code on GitHub. You can check it, and we are happy to hear arguments.

We are genuinely implementing a local-first approach. Why do you have doubts? We have a clear description of the data format, which is MIT licensed. Feel free to write and read. We hope that data adaptors will soon be available with the help of the community. You have full control over your data. Compile your version, and that's it.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by JanisErdmanis »

JSavageOne wrote: post #142
wallmountedtv wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When will VC companies stop conflating source available with open source? It's even worse than just being closed source as it's trying to pander to a group for money, and without any respect to the actual values of what they are saying.

Are you seriously trying to suggest that source code being publicly accessible is worse than nobody being able to access it? What a ridiculous statement.

It was worse in the case of early BIOS, which IBM made public in an instruction manual while keeping all relevant rights on distribution. I wonder why they did not publish it with a GPL or AGPL license, where they would keep commercial use to themselves.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by pronkin »

beanjuiceII wrote: post #189

dang these types of website layouts are bad...how can i trust that your app is useful if can't even make a simple easy to read website telling me about your app?

It's a matter of taste, and ours differs. You can establish trust by going to GitHub, checking the code, and compiling it yourself. In my humble opinion, trust and taste aren't closely connected.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by DANmode »

JSavageOne wrote: post #144
pgeorgi wrote: post #28

Note, their idea[0] of "open source" doesn't match the popular Open Source Definition [1] [0] https://github.com/anyproto/anytype-kotlin/blob/main/LICENSE... [1] https://opensource.org/osd/

So what is the appropriate term then for "source code freely available, but cannot be used for commercial use?" I guess probably an unpopular opinion here, but I don't see why "open source" must imply that anyone should be allowed to fork the repo and sell it.

> I don't see why "open source" must imply that anyone should be allowed to fork the repo

Apart from 20+ years of historical use in that way?

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by janober »

JSavageOne wrote: post #144
pgeorgi wrote: post #28

Note, their idea[0] of "open source" doesn't match the popular Open Source Definition [1] [0] https://github.com/anyproto/anytype-kotlin/blob/main/LICENSE... [1] https://opensource.org/osd/

So what is the appropriate term then for "source code freely available, but cannot be used for commercial use?" I guess probably an unpopular opinion here, but I don't see why "open source" must imply that anyone should be allowed to fork the repo and sell it.

Source available does sadly not really mean that much. Just means the source code is available. MIT licensed code and code you can see but are not allowed to use can be described as source available. That is what https://faircode.io/ got created for to solve.

Background: https://github.com/n8n-io/n8n/issues/40

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by DANmode »

goodpoint wrote: post #101
chaxor wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're on a forum for hackers, so most of the people here are the ones that care about the specifics of technology.

> You're on a forum for hackers I wish. "Hacker" news has nothing to do with that.

Highly recommend using the search box, New, etc.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by eudoxus »

Zambyte wrote: post #185
JSavageOne wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what is the appropriate term then for "source code freely available, but cannot be used for commercial use?" I guess probably an unpopular opinion here, but I don't see why "open source" must imply that anyone should be allowed to fork the repo and sell it.

> I guess probably an unpopular opinion here, but I don't see why "open source" must imply that anyone should be allowed to fork the repo and sell it. Because that is the definition of "Open Source"[0]. As was already said, "source available" is the correct term here. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Source_Definition

Sorry but this is not the definition of "open source", I would argue there is only a conceptual and cultural definition of "open source". What you are linking to is The Open Source Initiative (OSI) Foundation's declaration called the "Open Source Definition".

They are a single organization, that have done a tremendous job at trying to come up with a global and shared legal framework to which people can license code under. They have gone so far to come up with a pretty good definition of "open source", but not the definition.

This would be equivalent to saying that "Freedom" is defined by the US Constitution or the Canadian Charter of Rights & Freedoms. It is not, those are both examples of a legal definition of freedom, but neither are the sole authority for the global and cultural concept of "Freedom"

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