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Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by npteljes »

kykeonaut wrote: post #149
npteljes wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really, someone could just use that misleadingly too, just as with "open source". "Open Source" already doesn't cover these special licenses, instead, the "source available" is used. Any also acknowledges this actually - the license they are using is called the "Any Source Available License 1.0".

After a bit of brushing up on my acronyms, one could indeed use FOSS or FLOSS to denote that a piece of software is either free (or libre) or just open source [0]. The term "open source" is not referring to software with a free license, but to software whose source code is available to the public irrespective of license [1]. [0] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/floss-and-foss.en.html [1] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/…

GNU also misses the point a bit. With open source, the source is open, but some other general rights are included too, like to restriction to the type usage. Lately, people and corporations made a lot of money on the backs of open source developers, so a new type of license emerged, and this would be the one that really is just about the "open" "source", but to make it distinct from the already widely known term, people call these "source available". Getting back to the topic, Any knows these distinctions too - or at least their lawyer did, because they call their license a "Source Available License"[0]. Source-available however doesn't carry the coolness of what "open source" brings - so on the marketing page, they refer to the project as "open source", which kind of can be argued, since the majority of it is indeed proper open source.

[0] https://github.com/anyproto/anytype-kotlin/blob/main/LICENSE...

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by mostlysimilar »

Very excited to see an alternative to Notion that checks so many of the boxes I care about, especially local-first control of my data.

It would be nice if you would let me opt out of all of your telemetry. I know it's useful for development but I've had to block outbound requests to Sentry, Amplitude, and Graylog already.

I would also like the ability to entirely disable cloud-anything, including backup.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by TTTZ »

mostlysimilar wrote: post #182

Very excited to see an alternative to Notion that checks so many of the boxes I care about, especially local-first control of my data. It would be nice if you would let me opt out of all of your telemetry. I know it's useful for development but I've had to block outbound requests to Sentry, Amplitude, and Graylog already. I would also like the ability to entirely disable cloud-anything, including backup.

To allow analytics opt-out is on the roadmap for 2023Q3

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

zoogeny wrote: post #123
pgeorgi wrote: post #28

Note, their idea[0] of "open source" doesn't match the popular Open Source Definition [1] [0] https://github.com/anyproto/anytype-kotlin/blob/main/LICENSE... [1] https://opensource.org/osd/

A lot of the comments to this are angry and I can appreciate that. There is obviously some specific nuance to "open source" that individuals in this thread want to maintain and feel that the OSI has enshrined in stone as a definition that no one shall breach. However, I strongly support the kind of license (in principle) that this software is released under. Source code is available for anyone to inspect, modify for…

>The main restriction is so clearly obvious: you can't create a commercial competitor.

I don't see it. Commercial use there is defined as "where the Software facilitates any transaction of economic value other than on Allowed Networks". As I understand, it means financial application.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by Zambyte »

JSavageOne wrote: post #144
pgeorgi wrote: post #28

Note, their idea[0] of "open source" doesn't match the popular Open Source Definition [1] [0] https://github.com/anyproto/anytype-kotlin/blob/main/LICENSE... [1] https://opensource.org/osd/

So what is the appropriate term then for "source code freely available, but cannot be used for commercial use?" I guess probably an unpopular opinion here, but I don't see why "open source" must imply that anyone should be allowed to fork the repo and sell it.

> I guess probably an unpopular opinion here, but I don't see why "open source" must imply that anyone should be allowed to fork the repo and sell it.

Because that is the definition of "Open Source"[0]. As was already said, "source available" is the correct term here.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Source_Definition

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by api »

pgeorgi wrote: post #28

Note, their idea[0] of "open source" doesn't match the popular Open Source Definition [1] [0] https://github.com/anyproto/anytype-kotlin/blob/main/LICENSE... [1] https://opensource.org/osd/

The conventional open source model makes everything free labor for billion dollar companies and hustlers who just take it and slap it up behind a paywall. It's used to underpin SaaS models that are significantly less open or free than closed-source local commercial software.

It'd be nice if the OSI or the open source community addressed this issue head-on, but so far they refuse and insist nothing is wrong. This refusal leads to a proliferation of almost-open-source licenses that just muddy the waters.

If they continue to refuse I think we'll see more and more of this until the definition of open source becomes hopelessly muddy and the whole community starts to wither.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by esafak »

vorpalhex wrote: post #173
emptysongglass wrote: post #40

I'm sorry to hijack the thread but as someone forced to use Notion as a team wiki, please improve the performance! I can't emphasize this enough. The Notion subreddit is filled with complaints: if that's not a wake up call to every single PM at Notion, I don't know what is. Stop shipping features until the perf is a joy to your users. It's mind-boggling to me that companies would prio anything over fixing perf outsid…

I went from being a notion advocate to a hater. Perf, mobile apps, and pricing weirdness have just made it clear it's no longer a high quality product but another enterprise-y Jira type product. The early notion product was really performant, the mobile apps were ok enough and it had good ideas. Now my last remaining notion sites sit on my to do list to be migrated to an alternative. The mobile apps are trash. Workin…

What is your alternative?

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by sdesol »

mdaniel wrote: post #180
sdesol wrote: post #137

Here's some project health insights, for those interested. https://devboard.gitsense.com/anyproto https://reviews.gitsense.com/insights/github?q=pull-age%3A%3... Looks like Jira is used for issue tracking, so insights for issues and comments will be incomplete. There also appears to be a good mix of seasoned contributors (2+ years) and new (look for the gift icon in the review tool to see how long they have been cont…

are you aware that the GH org parsing is apparently case sensitive? https://devboard.gitsense.com/jetbrains = blank https://devboard.gitsense.com/JetBrains = works (although it does whine about the number of repos)

Yeah this is something I'll need to fix. Also, the repos limit is to keep resources in check. For example, crunching 5000 repos for Microsoft takes about 10 minutes and ties up 8 out of 20 query threads.

Thanks for the feedback.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by vorpalhex »

esafak wrote: post #187
vorpalhex wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went from being a notion advocate to a hater. Perf, mobile apps, and pricing weirdness have just made it clear it's no longer a high quality product but another enterprise-y Jira type product. The early notion product was really performant, the mobile apps were ok enough and it had good ideas. Now my last remaining notion sites sit on my to do list to be migrated to an alternative. The mobile apps are trash. Workin…

What is your alternative?

Most things moved into Obsidian with databases that needed to stay databases (versus tables) going into NocoDB (an airtable clone that can use sqlite).

I still haven't found a replacement for "online thing that anyone can edit easily". Some wiki systems are close but I don't want to give up some of the richer component types like kanban cards.

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