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Dropbox rival Space Monkey puts 'cloud' in your house

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Re: Dropbox rival Space Monkey puts 'cloud' in your house

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Interesting idea, but this worries me:

When you sign up for Space Monkey, you get a physical networked hard disk with 1TB of storage free for you to use. It's actually a 2TB drive; the rest gets used by other people on the system.

So 1TB is filled with other people's data? What about security? Dropbox had a simple security issue that potentially leaked all users' data. But now, the data is on your drive. You could mirror the drive ('dd') and try to break into other user's information without anyone suspecting anything.

Or what happens if someone stores child pr0n on SpaceMonkey, and it gets mirrored to your drive? Legally, are you now on the hook for possessing the information since it's on your device?

Re: Dropbox rival Space Monkey puts 'cloud' in your house

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Actually, you know who could probably sell this? Comcast. Make a single device that serves as a cable modem and also has this storage angle built in as either a "free" service with the bundle or as a small upsell.

I think Comcast wants to reduce upstream congestion, not increase it.

Edit: I'm talking about upstream on the last mile.

Re: Dropbox rival Space Monkey puts 'cloud' in your house

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I think this is a great idea but I think Dropbox has a pretty well established brand name. My guess is that most people aren't going to find the need to switch. The ones who might make the switch are the paranoid folks who would think this is some sort of more secure way to sync. The idea is nice but the challenge, IMO, will be in marketing this.

Dropbox is also kinda expensive. $125/year per user starts to add up if you've got a lot of users.

It depends on your financial situation in life. Instead of thinking "expensive" versus "cheap" -- because they're just words with no clear definition -- you need to think about the cost for what you are getting.

$125/year is just over $10/month. Nowadays in the US/UK/Canada, that's about 2 cups of coffee at Starbucks.

For that price, you are receiving 1TB of backup space for yourself.

Each person is $10/month, which is useful if you need to collaborate and not worry about setup.

Insurance on your home always varies, but usually runs about $50-100 per month. And that's just the price you pay for when things are going well.

For me, there's a cost to peace of mind and the ability for me to save time in my life to do things other than maintenance.

FWIW, I look at Dropbox as a monthly insurance premium to ensure that my files will always be around and I don't need to worry that my in-home RAID server must blow up at any time.

Re: Dropbox rival Space Monkey puts 'cloud' in your house

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This has been shown not to work: http://people.cs.umass.edu/~emery/pubs/TFS.pdf (section 5.1) I wonder how they think they're getting around the upstream replication bottleneck.

Upvoted, but I skimmed 5.1 and missed the "shown not to work" part. Can you be more specific?

Re: Dropbox rival Space Monkey puts 'cloud' in your house

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post #17

Actually, you know who could probably sell this? Comcast. Make a single device that serves as a cable modem and also has this storage angle built in as either a "free" service with the bundle or as a small upsell.

I think Comcast wants to reduce upstream congestion, not increase it. Edit: I'm talking about upstream on the last mile.

Why? If anything, I'd expect them to have plenty of upstream bandwidth, given that typical traffic patterns are primarily downstream.

Re: Dropbox rival Space Monkey puts 'cloud' in your house

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They give me half of a 2TB drive? Doesn't that mean that I'm getting only one copy of my data stored outside my house? So if a power surge fries my equipment, there's one copy of my data spread across a couple dozen other machines. I guess that's fine as long as no one but me experiences any failures... It's possible that they're just overselling, and they expect most people to use only a couple hundred megs, which w…

I would suggest they count on most people not using the full 1TB. Not really unusual.

Re: Dropbox rival Space Monkey puts 'cloud' in your house

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Interesting idea, but this worries me: When you sign up for Space Monkey, you get a physical networked hard disk with 1TB of storage free for you to use. It's actually a 2TB drive; the rest gets used by other people on the system. So 1TB is filled with other people's data? What about security? Dropbox had a simple security issue that potentially leaked all users' data. But now, the data is on your drive. You could mi…

Good question. The Space Monkey software mitigates these issues in two ways: First, all data is carefully encrypted before it ever leaves the user's Space Monkey device for replication across the network. This is obviously a key concern for all of our potential customers, so a lot of time has been spent getting this part right.

Second, the system breaks each file into many small blocks with built-in parity and other such redundancy measures. These blocks are then spread across many devices to both increase redundancy of the network and distribute the bandwidth usage fairly across nodes. As a result, you wouldn't really ever store any identifiable data from any one other customer.

Therefore, if the government wanted to seize evidence, they would gain nothing useful by seizing any Space Monkey device other than the suspect's, which contains the local cache of the user's own data.

Re: Dropbox rival Space Monkey puts 'cloud' in your house

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So, the company gives you a 2TB external hard drive for free, on the condition that you use 1TB to store your own data and 1TB to store copies of other people's encrypted data? Sounds interesting, until you get a huge bill for bandwidth overage. I have barely 100GB of bandwidth to spare every month (out of a total of 300GB/mo), so if that hard drive gets filled in less than 10 months, we've got a problem. They're eff…

ISPs pay for bandwidth leaving and entering their network. inter-network bandwidth is actually free for them, so it's very likely spacemonkey could prefer peering with other users on the same ISP.
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