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Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by folmar »

mbreese wrote: post #154
zoogeny wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your first points: "can’t make modifications, distribute modifications, distribute unmodified versions" appears to contradict the language from their license file: > Any Association grants you (“Licensee”) a license to use, modify, and redistribute the Software, but only (a) for Non-Commercial Use, or (b) for Commercial Use in Allowed Networks.

> These terms do not allow Licensee to sublicense or transfer any of Licensee’s rights to anyone else. IANAL, but I thought transferring rights was required to redistribute a work. If someone downloads this software from me, I can’t give them a right to use that software. Only the original authors can do that. And even if an earlier clause says that I can redistribute, this cause suggests that I can’t. As it is, this…

The right you are granted is more specific, so you can redistribute, but the next hop cannot. (I'm only reading what is quoted here in the thread, but I think the important parts are included.)

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by dilap »

emptysongglass wrote: post #40

I'm sorry to hijack the thread but as someone forced to use Notion as a team wiki, please improve the performance! I can't emphasize this enough. The Notion subreddit is filled with complaints: if that's not a wake up call to every single PM at Notion, I don't know what is. Stop shipping features until the perf is a joy to your users. It's mind-boggling to me that companies would prio anything over fixing perf outsid…

yeah i hate the slow perf too, but their success in the market unfortunately i think validates the "features over perf" strategy

(also, as slow as it is now, it's MUCH faster than it used to be, if you can imagine that!)

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by vorpalhex »

emptysongglass wrote: post #40

I'm sorry to hijack the thread but as someone forced to use Notion as a team wiki, please improve the performance! I can't emphasize this enough. The Notion subreddit is filled with complaints: if that's not a wake up call to every single PM at Notion, I don't know what is. Stop shipping features until the perf is a joy to your users. It's mind-boggling to me that companies would prio anything over fixing perf outsid…

I went from being a notion advocate to a hater. Perf, mobile apps, and pricing weirdness have just made it clear it's no longer a high quality product but another enterprise-y Jira type product.

The early notion product was really performant, the mobile apps were ok enough and it had good ideas.

Now my last remaining notion sites sit on my to do list to be migrated to an alternative. The mobile apps are trash. Working with notion is painful.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by _visgean »

Hmm I don't understand whats the benefit of having my notes on p2p network. Usually when it comes to notes I would prefer them to be private. Here I have some vague claim that the cryptographic key is safe enough. Well ok but what is the advantage here?

Also the local first approach here just seems like a local storage on a disk. Not great. Essentially if I move notes from notion to here I am going from a service that has a clear API and understandable storage policies to a model where the data is some binary blob on a p2p network.. Idk this to me seems I would effectively have less control over my data.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by catapart »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #33
taminka wrote: post #6

i've been following anytype since 2019, when the initial public release plan was for autumn of 2020 (lol), and since then it has transitioned from being a libp2p based google docs alternative into something more complicated, with relationships, sets, etc, and tbh i just never use it, because it's become too complicated every time i open the app, which uses electron btw ;(, i catch myself looking at the explainer vide…

It really is amazing how little competition Google docs has with free or open tools. I just want something that lets me write a never ending river of rich text documents. I don't want to write markdown source (by default), I don't want a "preview" as I type, etc.--I want WYSIWYG. I don't want to micromanage folders and hierarchies and classifications and tags and whatnot, I don't even want to think about storage or f…

Would you need to manage page settings, like margins and tab stops, or are those things more than you need?

If it really is just a local-first, rich text editor with syncing, searchable documents that you need, there might be something on the horizon. But if you need a full blown document editor, that's a bit of a different story.

Anything more than formatted text and inline images changes the scope in pretty exponential ways.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by jevogel »

hedgehog wrote: post #165

This looks pretty nice. I use Notion at work and mostly like it but not for personal data because I want everything available to back up on a physical disk. I've been burned too many times with data getting stuck in an inaccessible format when upstream apps get orphaned. Today my primary storage is files on disk in common formats (Markdown, PDFs, JPEGs, etc). Questions: Is there a way to get at the underlying documen…

Currently you can export all files, but there's no way to access them otherwise. They plan on having an API. Right now you're limited to 1GB of storage that they pin on their IPFS node, but they plan to enable self-hosting, i.e., using your own IPFS node.

Roadmap on GitHub: https://github.com/orgs/anyproto/projects/1/views/1

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by dancemethis »

pronkin wrote: post #161
dspillett wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your goals sound laudable, but they do not alter the fact that your use of the term “open source” is, deliberately or otherwise, misleading. > Our philosophy surrounding open-source is uncomplicated and clear. It does not appear to be the case that your philosophy surrounding open-source is clear. You state very clearly, without caveats, that the product is open-source, which strongly implies that the product is, wel…

Most of our repositories are MIT licensed, which holds significant value. Some of our repositories are source-available. We believe we are building an open-source product, and we reserve the right to define what 'open-source' means for us. Our only prohibition is against competitors making minor modifications and then selling our product. Our position on this is clear. We recognize that our definition may not align w…

It's unfortunate it's not actually going to be Free Software, but being able to at least audit and do non-commercial is... better than Notion, I guess. But I do retract a fair portion of my excitement over the project.

Your "reserved right" to define what a word means to you... puts the work to somehow figure out what you mean onto the reader. This isn't quite nice. The speakers are the ones that should strive to make themselves understood in the first place.

I don't have any love for "open source" since it is just "the part of Free Software that appeases people in suits", but please, use the thing as it is.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by jklinger410 »

6uhrmittag wrote: post #163

Sorry but the landing page is super annoying. Everything gives the impression of being clickable and not even half of it is. Then I click on "crazy fast loading times" and a slow popups overlay appears.. the slider and the animations are feel deliberately annoying - slow slide.. when a slide is in the center it stops.. takes a deep breath and then is beeing reminded that it has to load it's three arms and bubbles...…

The UI for the website reminds me of the app itself. It paints its own canvas and is simplified to the point of adding more confusion.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by dancemethis »

andrewshadura wrote: post #91
number6 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the second time today that someone mistakes open source and free software. See: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.... I don't blame you, it's a bit schadenfreude on my part because "open source" companies try to dress as free software but aren't

No. Open source is the same as free software. It is a marketing term for free software, that defines the same concept in more practical terms. If you actually read the article you linked, you would have known that.

It's not, because Free Software handles practical and ethical advantages as an indivisible unit, while open source focus only on promoting practical advantages.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by mdaniel »

sdesol wrote: post #137

Here's some project health insights, for those interested. https://devboard.gitsense.com/anyproto https://reviews.gitsense.com/insights/github?q=pull-age%3A%3... Looks like Jira is used for issue tracking, so insights for issues and comments will be incomplete. There also appears to be a good mix of seasoned contributors (2+ years) and new (look for the gift icon in the review tool to see how long they have been cont…

are you aware that the GH org parsing is apparently case sensitive? https://devboard.gitsense.com/jetbrains = blank https://devboard.gitsense.com/JetBrains = works (although it does whine about the number of repos)
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