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Re: Sweden Sans

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Post by _sky-captain_ »

This is an old thread, but I'm a little puzzled by developers wondering why the tools we use should not be well-specified. I work on backend systems that rely heavily on high-specialized RFCs for DNS and domain name registrars. If they weren't painstakingly detailed, we'd be toast. But a new executive (no longer with us) once told us to simplify our representation of top-level domains because she thought it was too complicated, as though we could ignore the RFCs.

Are we playing with an idea that has similar dangers here? Ask the opposite question: what would happen if typeface designers didn't go to all this detail? Would we just want to know that "Arial is the round-ish one and Times New Roman has little footsy things?"

Font selection is a big deal to brand identity and marketing. They like to have lots of choices. We even design our own fonts sometimes. How many developers have, as I have, changed fonts in our code editors, looking for the one that's "just right?"

For whatever reasons, the demand for distinct fonts is high, and if there are lots of fonts, they need to be completely specified, so that they can be created and rendered correctly.

Re: Sweden Sans

#182

Post by AtNightWeCode »

jdiff wrote: post #156
AtNightWeCode wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not what I said. Do you think they got the font for free? They used tax payers money to hire probably a brand corp that created this font as a part of the brand.

That's one sale. Governments need design, too, and those designers deserve to be paid. Designers choosing to blur the line on sans vs serif doesn't make it a bad typeface, or some sort of corporate scam to make one sale.

Governments need good design and a versatile typeface without any shenanigans.

Re: Sweden Sans

#183

Post by remram »

shmoe wrote: post #121
remram wrote: post #120

It really doesn't matter how much attention you spend on typeface and design if the way you greet visitors is with an obnoxious "are you sure you don't want our tracking cookies?" where I have to click two tiny checkboxes, followed by a user-hostile trick bold "accept all" button next to the faded "accepted selected" option. If you really wanted to improve UX, one of those things is more worthy of attention.

GDPR is great in theory, mostly in practice.

That is such a silly take. GDPR doesn't force you to keep using unsafe tracking methods on your not-even-commercial website. GDPR doesn't require you try and trick me with the two "accept" buttons.

Collect metrics in a lawful way and GDPR doesn't hurt your UX.

Re: Sweden Sans

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Post by carlmr »

Kon5ole wrote: post #166
chefandy wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

News flash: technical worker thinks more resources should be diverted from non-technical matters to technical matters. Film at 11. ;-) The people who design interfaces and the people who do branding and identity work are rarely the same people. I've done both (and was developer all over the stack for a decade,) but never at the same time. Branding and identity work is usually done by specialized agencies, and they're…

>News flash: technical worker thinks more resources should be diverted from non-technical matters to technical matters. Good one, but that's not my point just to be clear! I think this kind of documentation tends to happen in organisations that already spend so much on enterprise licences that a team of designers doing "graphical profile" work for a year is almost a rounding error, and I don't mind that it happens at…

Designers really like to nerd out about typefaces because it's such a minute detail that average people don't notice.

And because they like to nerd out so much about it, they put more effort into it.

Re: Sweden Sans

#185

Post by jdiff »

AtNightWeCode wrote: post #182
jdiff wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's one sale. Governments need design, too, and those designers deserve to be paid. Designers choosing to blur the line on sans vs serif doesn't make it a bad typeface, or some sort of corporate scam to make one sale.

Governments need good design and a versatile typeface without any shenanigans.

None are to be found here. No more shenanigans than are found in nearly every monospaced typeface in existence that sinfully mixes the exact same slab serifs and sans on the same glyphs.

Re: Sweden Sans

#186

Post by chefandy »

gyulai wrote: post #145
chefandy wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

News flash: technical worker thinks more resources should be diverted from non-technical matters to technical matters. Film at 11. ;-) The people who design interfaces and the people who do branding and identity work are rarely the same people. I've done both (and was developer all over the stack for a decade,) but never at the same time. Branding and identity work is usually done by specialized agencies, and they're…

> What you and most other developers don't realize is that[...] Generalizations like this are just so bad. My biggest beef with design/"product" folk in the tech world is this thing that many of them do, where they justify their existence as a group of people and a business function by bad-mouthing developers.

> Generalizations like this are just so bad

> this thing that many of them do

Lol. You can't just qualify a generalization with "many" to make it a non-generalization.

Before getting into design, I was a full-time back end developer for 11 years and worked in dev organizations in ops/support rules for a decade before that. The job market over the past decade had coddled developers so much, and made them so fragile and arrogant. Even intimating that my professional opinion on design is more informed than a developer's opinion on design often yields a intellectual temper tantrum.

Re: Sweden Sans

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Post by AtNightWeCode »

jdiff wrote: post #185
AtNightWeCode wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Governments need good design and a versatile typeface without any shenanigans.

None are to be found here. No more shenanigans than are found in nearly every monospaced typeface in existence that sinfully mixes the exact same slab serifs and sans on the same glyphs.

The typeface is not monospaced. It is a garbage sans serif clone with some stupid sans-letters like lower case i and l that looks just ridiculous. Sweden used to use Helvetica (or some typeface very close to that). They should revert to that.

Re: Sweden Sans

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Post by jdiff »

AtNightWeCode wrote: post #187
jdiff wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None are to be found here. No more shenanigans than are found in nearly every monospaced typeface in existence that sinfully mixes the exact same slab serifs and sans on the same glyphs.

The typeface is not monospaced. It is a garbage sans serif clone with some stupid sans-letters like lower case i and l that looks just ridiculous. Sweden used to use Helvetica (or some typeface very close to that). They should revert to that.

A "sans serif clone"? That phrase is utterly meaningless. I also wasn't calling it monospaced, just pointing out that there's precedent for the choices made here. It's a fine typeface, not my cup of tea, not even close to what I think of when I think of Swiss typography, but regardless of your obnoxious and unfounded opinionated take on it, regardless of my feelings on it, it's still a fine typeface. You can't even communicate what you don't like about it, just rant about corporations for some also unintelligible reason.

Re: Sweden Sans

#190

Post by arjvik »

satysin wrote: post #70
arjvik wrote: post #62

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Does Cloudflare DNS block it? Or are you proposing Cloudflare DNS as a solution?

It's a long story! https://jarv.is/notes/cloudflare-dns-archive-is-blocked/ In short if you use Cloudflare's 1.1.1.1 DNS then some archive.is domains won't load so you should perhaps use another DNS server. Edit: Not because 1.1.1.1 is in the wrong it is just what the person behind archive.is recommends as he will not be changing his position and neither will Cloudflare so it's a bit of a stalemate.

Interesting. If this becomes a widespread practice, I suppose Cloudflare could start including bogus client subnet values in its upstream requests.
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