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Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Post by mrangle » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 4:15 PM UTC

ceejayoz wrote: post #93

Supermancho wrote: post #73

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> they should be pee-pants scared all the time Not to step out and defend cops too much but this narrative is unfair...I believe the right to bear arms includes guns and we pay for that as a society. The ones who pay the most are LE. They primarily have to deal with the worst elements of society and the most volatile of individuals. I don't envy the job. I would be scared all the time too. Chances of me being shot at…

> The ones who pay the most are LE. This is simply not true. Cops die via gunfire in sub-100 numbers annually. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_law_enforcement_office...

As with crime statistics, you need percentages to make a point and not aggregate numbers. Also tell us which other professionals are murdered by guns on American streets for doing their jobs, at this rate.

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Post by dcow » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 4:16 PM UTC

manuelabeledo wrote: post #129

tastyfreeze wrote: post #90

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When you lose your job simply for disagreeing with the mob it is indeed "cancel culture" not "consequences".

I would like to see examples of this. Because I could disagree with someone about something dull and say something like "hotdogs are crap", and I think my job would be pretty safe.

Some Boeing guy got ousted over a 30 year old opinion that women shouldn’t serve in combat roles in the military: https://nypost.com/2020/07/03/boeing-communications-boss-nie...

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Post by mrangle » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 4:16 PM UTC

idiotsecant wrote: post #134

Supermancho wrote: post #103

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I meant pay for the right to bear arms in being exposed to the consequences. Might want to look at gunfire injuries that are not deaths. There is also the issue of how this happens despite training, their own weapons, armor, etc that are daily requirements. The general populace would probably see better survival rates with these things as well, right? It's more than a little biased to just point at deaths.

Each year more than 250,000 civilians are injured by police. At least 600 are killed. between 2014 and 2019 there was an average of 245 officers shot per year, many of which were injuries only. It's extremely clear that in an average encounter a civilian is much more likely to be shot and kileld or injured by police than the other way around. Gun violence against police is extremely rare.

Uses aggregate numbers then transitions to relative probability as if the math logic follows. This thread is a clown show.

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Post by dcow » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 4:17 PM UTC

matthewdgreen wrote: post #18

b112 wrote: post #13

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And yet it wasn't a smirk, now was it? It was a smirk and other things. Right or wrong, call it what it is. Don't drop info off the event, and focus on one part of it. And if someone has a right not to be harassed, when doing their job in an office, why doesn't a cop, when doing their job on the street? Note, I said "doing their job", not "doing it wrong". For damned sure there are bad cops. But by god, there are a l…

Thanks to your comment I read through to the original article and it’s even more despicable than I’d thought from the description. She’s being accused of a “hate crime” for “intimidating the police” based on defacing a sign. It’s the most disgusting thing I’ve ever heard of, and I have no idea why any rational human being would defend it.

Someone scratched a slur onto the bathroom wall when I was in college and it became a campus wide hate crime and we all had a week of fishbowls and micro-aggression training. People actually believe that these things constitute hate crimes. It is absurd.

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Post by nh23423fefe » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 4:18 PM UTC

trinsic2 wrote: post #85

To get back on topic, I can see both sides of the spectrum on this. On the one hand, they will be dirty cops that use this to their advantage, but on the other hand, I see the possible scenarios of people getting too close and interfering with that particular job, maybe I'm not seeing this for what it is but I don't think it's a bad thing for having to be some distance away from a police situation. Being too close yo…

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Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Post by mrangle » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 4:20 PM UTC

whoknew1122 wrote: post #120

lordfrito wrote: post #54

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> But they are so fragile that a smirk can intimidate them? First let me say I'm not on the side of these kinds of laws. We can't be passing laws giving special privileges to (or removing privileges from) a particular group of people. "Our constitution is color-blind, and neither knows nor tolerates classes among citizens. In respect of civil rights, all citizens are equal before the law." Plessy v. Ferguson (1896) […

Safe spaces aren't a new thing. It's just now there is a vocabulary for it. 20 years ago, before people talked about safe spaces, I would hang out at comic/gaming stores because I could be my nerdy self while playing Magic: the Gathering. When I would go to bars, I'd go to gay bars. Because I could just be myself and not worry about running into the violence in the clubs that catered to teens. A safe space is about f…

>No. No cop goes into the profession expecting puppies and rainbows. Going into potentially unsafe environments with potentially aggressive people is what they signed up for.

That's not how law enforcement works at all. What you are suggesting is that cops have less protections than civilians. Putting on a badge doesn't remove assault legal protections.

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Post by throwmeouthn » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 4:20 PM UTC

Atreiden wrote: post #156

dcow wrote: post #111

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I mean, they’re just emulating the zeitgeist. This is what happens when the prevailing worldview is inconsistent and hypocritical. We’ve normalized the idea that words and subtle actions can be micro-aggressive and thus are violent. That’s literally the logic these days and instead of fighting it most people happily jumped onboard entertaining idiotic rhetoric in the name of social justice. So I’m not surprised at al…

Are you really trying to suggest that police brutality is caused by cancel culture? That the natural consequences of attempting to address problematic language include the rampant murder of minorities by members of law enforcement? > You don't get to cancel others for their word-violence and then turn around and complain when your peers try to put a stop yours. Time to grow up. Hoo boy. This shouldn't need to be said…

Except that microaggression includes the word aggression which is defined as:

> hostile or violent behavior or attitudes toward another; readiness to attack or confront.

I don't think they were suggesting police brutality is caused by cancel culture - I think that was you reaching. I think they were suggesting that laws being passed to protect police from being made fun of, are the result of people being overly sensitive and allowing the words of others to hurt them personally.

It appears that if anyone was doing mental gymnastics here, it was you.

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Post by CamperBob2 » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 4:20 PM UTC

whoknew1122 wrote: post #4

> "Many states have passed hate-speech laws that protect the police from verbal or symbolic abuse, such as stomping on a “Back the Blue” sign while “smirking in an intimidating manner” (the crime for which a woman in Utah was prosecuted)." Wow... this is just... The police have a monopoly on the legalized use of violence. Police carry at minimum one deadly weapon (a handgun), but usually have multiple so-called less-…

The police have a monopoly on the legalized use of violence.

And it's impressive to see how quickly one gets shouted down on "progressive" forums when one objects to this inherently-illiberal state of affairs.

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Post by dcow » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 4:21 PM UTC

Atreiden wrote: post #156

dcow wrote: post #111

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I mean, they’re just emulating the zeitgeist. This is what happens when the prevailing worldview is inconsistent and hypocritical. We’ve normalized the idea that words and subtle actions can be micro-aggressive and thus are violent. That’s literally the logic these days and instead of fighting it most people happily jumped onboard entertaining idiotic rhetoric in the name of social justice. So I’m not surprised at al…

Are you really trying to suggest that police brutality is caused by cancel culture? That the natural consequences of attempting to address problematic language include the rampant murder of minorities by members of law enforcement? > You don't get to cancel others for their word-violence and then turn around and complain when your peers try to put a stop yours. Time to grow up. Hoo boy. This shouldn't need to be said…

I think you misunderstood my argument. I’m not advocating for police brutality WTF?

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Post by manuelabeledo » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 4:22 PM UTC

dcow wrote: post #162

manuelabeledo wrote: post #129

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I would like to see examples of this. Because I could disagree with someone about something dull and say something like "hotdogs are crap", and I think my job would be pretty safe.

Some Boeing guy got ousted over a 30 year old opinion that women shouldn’t serve in combat roles in the military: https://nypost.com/2020/07/03/boeing-communications-boss-nie...

The headline itself clearly states that he resigned.

And where is that fabled "mob" here?