Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden for some things if it means supporting a company that has the power to shift policy in favor of human rights (privacy in this case).
Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
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Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
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We now know that PRISM was (is?) the NSA internal source designation for data acquired through FISA warrants executed by the FBI. So actually Apple was being honest. They had not heard of PRISM, because that term was only used inside the NSA. And they were not allowing direct government access to their servers, they were responding to FISA warrants.
While technically true, it's also a complete BS. It's in the same vain as Torrent websites are not hosting copyrighted content - technically true but complete BS.
But they are actually not hosting it.
If we are being pedantic, one can claim that all data, can be very well anything because there is always a "one-time pad" transforming all communication into something malicious.
If the law is not precise, then it is on the government to improve it.
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#303Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your comment would have been stronger if you left out the piece re: the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, because it's an eye roller. Article 12 is: > No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks. I'm no fan of Meta or the…
>attacks upon his honour and reputation Yikes, seems like this is built to keep people from saying things about powerful people that they don't like.
It’s just that there was a time in Europe (about 80 years ago) when among other cruel things, the honor and reputation of a lot of people were actively destroyed for arbitrary reasons.
Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
#304Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden for some things if it means supporting a company that has the power to shift policy in favor of human rights (privacy in this case).
Apple, while imperfect, is the only large tech company with anything like a principle when it comes to user privacy. Meta/IG would sell literally any piece of information about you they can get their hands on and monetize.
I'd have thought it'd be more profitable to sell access to you based on criteria rather than outright selling your data. If they sell your data then anyone can buy it and use it whereas only they can sell your attention.
Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
#305This is a scam by the UK government, they don't care about child abuse, they are going to look into all sorts of communications to leverage people. If they cared about child abuse they would have shut down the open child prostitution rings running rampant. They openly let it continue because they are afraid of being branded racist since the gangs running them are minorities. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_ch…
The Wikipedia article doesn’t exactly support your claim.
The police didn't investigate child sex crimes because the perpetrators were non-white and the police didn't want to be seen as racist. What about that is incorrect?
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iMessage and FaceTime are large parts of the Apple Ecosystem lock-in. What obvious profit motive (separate from PR) would removing them provide?
It doesn't have to deal with compliance issues, which are not only getting more complicated, but also increasing in number. "Sorry guv, I don't have the keys for that, so I'm not responsible for what went on as I couldn't have known". Though the biggest money maker is the idea itself. Many believe that Apple is "on their side", and these kinds of plays re-enforce that. The moment it's more profitable to sell you out…
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Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
#307i simply prefer not to believe anything that any government or any trillion dollar company says about encryption and privacy. Apple: > "We have never heard of PRISM", "We do not provide any government agency with direct access to our servers" https://web.archive.org/web/20130609061546/https://www.culto... ..some things are just not discussed on public forums.
As far as "We have never heard of PRISM", that could be true. When you receive a national security letter it isn't like they give you detailed info about the specific operation and why you are receiving it. It's more along the lines of "you're going to do this pursuant to US code section..."
What's more, a National Security Letter is not necessarily addressed to the company's executives and lawyers. A National Security Letter could be send to somebody lower in the organization, closer to the targeted data (for instance a sysadmin) with a clause threatening them with prison time if they tell anybody, even their boss or company lawyers about it.
They can essentially conscript anybody in the company to work as a spy using (probably bullshit but still intimidating) legal threats to keep them quiet.
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In even more fairness, Meta has literally skipped the EU for Threads instead of increasing privacy. In their case, it's just a careful balance of virtue signaling, it had no qualms about pushing their spyware to hundreds of millions of people, violating basic human rights in the process. Check Article 12: https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-huma...
I don’t think it’s because of not wanting to preserve privacy I think it’s because it takes a shit ton of time to comply with all the orders the EU has pinned on them.
It takes a shit ton of time if to weasel around the GDPR if your business model is to collect as much personal data as possible.
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It doesn’t show as flagged for me. Time heals all wounds, if your comment is not objectionable it will usually be vouched for eventually. Which is one of the reasons it’s a rule here that you don’t complain about voting. Such comments also rarely age like wine :)
Well it was flagged in the beginning, it's not like I imagined it. IMHO people should be allowed to complain otherwise how can we spot deficiencies and injustices and improve?
You can complain, you'll just get a small karma hit for it. It's inevitable because it's off topic, but karma on HN is more or less meaningless anyway.
Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
#310i simply prefer not to believe anything that any government or any trillion dollar company says about encryption and privacy. Apple: > "We have never heard of PRISM", "We do not provide any government agency with direct access to our servers" https://web.archive.org/web/20130609061546/https://www.culto... ..some things are just not discussed on public forums.
Apple has perfected their virtue signaling game and all the simps love it.
I don't really mind it either anymore, a lot of people have this hero worship fetish and they can't help painting everything in black and white, even though they're all just different shades of gray.
Apple is definitively brighter on that scale then Google or Meta, but they're all corrupt multinational corporations that will do everything they can get away with to increase their bottom line.