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Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Post by s1artibartfast » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 3:55 PM UTC

rootusrootus wrote: post #92

costanzaDynasty wrote: post #80

I've always thought hate crime laws are so misguided. It's just another law to use against people you don't like. Piling on charges for no other reason other than making you feel good. Do you like the perp? No: Hate crime Yes: The brain isn't fully formed yet I worked on the low end of a giant corporation and they would always add new rules, seemingly targeting people they we trying to fire. Stupid rules like you can…

What's the difference between first degree murder and second degree murder? Is that any different than a hate crime designation?

Premeditation and planning is the difference between federal first and second degree murder.

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Post by manuelabeledo » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 3:56 PM UTC

lordfrito wrote: post #82

manuelabeledo wrote: post #77

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> So much so that Hate Crimes and Safe Spaces are now a thing. People have lost jobs due to Cancel Culture fueled hate-mobs. It is not "cancel culture", just good old fashioned "consequences".

Ahhh the old "consequences" argument. I can't tell when it's "cancel culture" or "consequences" anymore. Word seems interchangeable nowadays in the media. Seems like when it happens to the in-group it's called cancel culture , but when it's experienced by the out-group it's just shrugged away as consequences . The point I'm making is I'm tired of this kind of separation of people into groups. Bad behavior leading to…

> Bad behavior leading to "consequences" for one group should also be considered bad behavior for the other group, which doesn't get to complain about the same "consequences" as well.

And it does.

This whole "cancel culture" debate is and always has been just a poor attempt at propaganda.

There is no such thing as "cancel culture", just this generational trend of using the word "cancel" interchangeably with "boycott". Boycotts have existed since the dawn of time, but there is no good way of personalizing a rival group as "boycotters", and that is the reason why we have this stupid "cancel culture" term.

Now, there are a myriad of reasons why a cop should not be treated like any other individual, first of all being that they are legally and factually protected from facing many of the consequences of the same bad behaviour that would put most other people behind bars.

But specifically and putting it into context, isn't having a government sponsored, paramilitary law enforcement group, that is immune to many law precepts by design, dangerous enough already?

In a world where cops have all their current privileges and conserve all their rights as individuals, there is no room for first amendment rights. There cannot be.

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Post by idiotsecant » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 3:56 PM UTC

zer8k wrote: post #118

bamfly wrote: post #8

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> I'm not sure how someone wearing body armor and carrying multiple weapons that can incapacitate or kill someone can be intimidated by a smile. They're wannabe military tough-guys with laughably worse training and culture, much of which tells them they should be pee-pants scared all the time (seriously—folks very-successfully sell some wacko training courses to cops; or, just look at the disconnected-from-reality-an…

> They're wannabe military tough-guys with laughably worse training and culture, A lot of them are ex-military which is why every incident is treated like a mini-fallujah. There should be better psychological evaluation of police. It's harder to get a gun as a citizen anywhere in the US than it is to become a cop.The very least we can do is treat them to a far higher standard than we do citizens given that they have…

>It's harder to get a gun as a citizen anywhere in the US than it is to become a cop.

I'm normally the last one to be licking boots when it comes to discussions of the role of law enforcement in our society. With that said, this is hyperbole and obviously falsifiable. There are lots of places in the US where it is very easy to get a gun and at least somewhat difficult to become a cop.

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Post by at_a_remove » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 3:56 PM UTC

mitt_romney_12 wrote: post #61

at_a_remove wrote: post #29

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Those of us who said, over and over again, how dumb it was to make up "hate crimes" as a thing are smirking. We did tell you what would happen. Nobody wanted to hear it. Now it's here and everyone is all "shocked Pikachu" from the middle of that slippery slope.

This isn't a problem with hate crimes this is a problem with the level of immunity cops are given. If hate crimes had never been "made up" (whatever that means) they would have just found another way to make it illegal to piss off cops.

Of course they were made up. It's a legal construct. "Hate crimes" did not exist as a legal charge fifty years ago. Why are you using language as if you did not know this?

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Post by dcow » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 3:57 PM UTC

mitt_romney_12 wrote: post #119

moretrashplz wrote: post #101

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And yet people still want to eliminate the right for private citizens to carry semi-automatic firearms! Generally, it's the the same people complaining that complain about police abusing their powers and vulnerable groups of people.

A gun isn't going to protect you from police violence, it's just going to give them a reason to become even more militarized and an excuse after they shoot you

You might be surprised how much a group of armed citizens can do against a police squad. I don't think “you’ll never protect yourself from the gov’t” is an accurate angle.

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Post by hiatus » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 3:57 PM UTC

Supermancho wrote: post #103

ceejayoz wrote: post #93

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> The ones who pay the most are LE. This is simply not true. Cops die via gunfire in sub-100 numbers annually. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_law_enforcement_office...

I meant pay for the right to bear arms in being exposed to the consequences. Might want to look at gunfire injuries that are not deaths. There is also the issue of how this happens despite training, their own weapons, armor, etc that are daily requirements. The general populace would probably see better survival rates with these things as well, right? It's more than a little biased to just point at deaths.

> It's more than a little biased to just point at deaths.

It's less biased than your argument, which pointed at no evidence.

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Post by s1artibartfast » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 3:57 PM UTC

mitt_romney_12 wrote: post #75

mrangle wrote: post #39

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Everyone doesn't get treated like shit. Most people respect and want cops. People whining about cops being mean to them, and their general dispositions, tends to think that their police interaction is a super special customer service experience and that the system is faulty when it falls short of their expectations. The reality is that cops deal with the worst of society multiple times per day, even if you don't repr…

> Most people respect and want cops 89% of Americans think that changes need to made to make policing better and 50% of Americans think that major changes need to be made [1]. > People whining about cops being mean to them, and their general dispositions, tends to think that their police interaction is a super special customer service experience and that the system is faulty when it falls short of their expectations.…

None of these thing are mutually exclusive with what the parent poster said.

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Post by jaywalk » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 3:58 PM UTC

zer8k wrote: post #118

bamfly wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not sure how someone wearing body armor and carrying multiple weapons that can incapacitate or kill someone can be intimidated by a smile. They're wannabe military tough-guys with laughably worse training and culture, much of which tells them they should be pee-pants scared all the time (seriously—folks very-successfully sell some wacko training courses to cops; or, just look at the disconnected-from-reality-an…

> They're wannabe military tough-guys with laughably worse training and culture, A lot of them are ex-military which is why every incident is treated like a mini-fallujah. There should be better psychological evaluation of police. It's harder to get a gun as a citizen anywhere in the US than it is to become a cop.The very least we can do is treat them to a far higher standard than we do citizens given that they have…

> It's harder to get a gun as a citizen anywhere in the US than it is to become a cop.

As a gun owner, I can tell you this is laughably false. I can't go into a police station and walk out as a cop 30 minutes later.

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Post by manuelabeledo » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 3:59 PM UTC

tastyfreeze wrote: post #90

manuelabeledo wrote: post #77

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> So much so that Hate Crimes and Safe Spaces are now a thing. People have lost jobs due to Cancel Culture fueled hate-mobs. It is not "cancel culture", just good old fashioned "consequences".

When you lose your job simply for disagreeing with the mob it is indeed "cancel culture" not "consequences".

I would like to see examples of this.

Because I could disagree with someone about something dull and say something like "hotdogs are crap", and I think my job would be pretty safe.

Re: New laws trying to criminalize filming cops

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Post by moretrashplz » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 3:59 PM UTC

mitt_romney_12 wrote: post #119

moretrashplz wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet people still want to eliminate the right for private citizens to carry semi-automatic firearms! Generally, it's the the same people complaining that complain about police abusing their powers and vulnerable groups of people.

A gun isn't going to protect you from police violence, it's just going to give them a reason to become even more militarized and an excuse after they shoot you

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