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Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden for some things if it means supporting a company that has the power to shift policy in favor of human rights (privacy in this case).

Apple, while imperfect, is the only large tech company with anything like a principle when it comes to user privacy. Meta/IG would sell literally any piece of information about you they can get their hands on and monetize.

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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It's true, they merely have enough cash on hand to fund a small army, enough legal power to crush you in court with anything you attempt. Make no mistake: if Apple needed to get someone killed, they would. They're not some miraculous pinnacles of good in a sea of evil. It's just that they merely need to flex the law at you to destroy your life forever. Apple is no different, they'll hire the Pinkertons and break your…

>Make no mistake: if Apple needed to get someone killed, they would. Ok, I'll play along. Suppose Tim Cook wakes up tomorrow and decides for some reason he wants me dead. How exactly does he do it?

> How exactly does he do it?

Just imagine this: Tim Cook travel expenses amount to an half a million dollar per year.

travel expenses only.

A professional hit man costs between 1/100th and 1/33th of that.

Tim has to simply give up on a pair of new shoes that year.

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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post #17

Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden for some things if it means supporting a company that has the power to shift policy in favor of human rights (privacy in this case).

Unless it's China in which case they will not care about it!

China had all the bargaining power, in that non-compliance meant no more iPhones, and Apple going out of business. Apple wasn't ready to move production entirely to India or another country.

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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so the government that arrested people for jokes, knocks on people's doors over mean tweets, and politically ousts people for having the wrong opinion now wants to destroy privacy for the 84th time in 10 years

wew, its just one big firework waiting to blow. glad i've got the spectator seats

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden for some things if it means supporting a company that has the power to shift policy in favor of human rights (privacy in this case).

I came here just to say this, thanks @obituary_latte for putting this nicely.

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden for some things if it means supporting a company that has the power to shift policy in favor of human rights (privacy in this case).

In fairness, Meta has said the same thing re: WhatsApp, so while Apple deserves _some_ credit here for sticking to their principles, they're not exactly leading the pack. Which brings home the point that if _Meta_ isn't onboard with your privacy-obliterating proposal then you know you've really lost the plot...

didn't eta just move to make WhatsApp not end to end encrypted?

Meta was also in the biggest mass surveillance & influence scandal of all times for a private not too long ago, please don't forget

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Flags aren't for rule breaking, they just mean enough people found your comment inflammatory or otherwise objectionable enough to hit the "flag" button. If you have a link to the flagged comment, I can probably help you understand why HN users would have flagged it. This comment is getting downvotes because complaining about downvotes and flags always does.

What's objectional or inflammatory about my opinion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36800745

It doesn’t show as flagged for me. Time heals all wounds, if your comment is not objectionable it will usually be vouched for eventually. Which is one of the reasons it’s a rule here that you don’t complain about voting. Such comments also rarely age like wine :)

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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The UK keeps trying to throw their weight around only to find out they aren’t that big. The CMA with Xbox and now this. They aren’t large enough for Apple and Microsoft to make massive changes just to accommodate a relatively small market.

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fairness, Meta has said the same thing re: WhatsApp, so while Apple deserves _some_ credit here for sticking to their principles, they're not exactly leading the pack. Which brings home the point that if _Meta_ isn't onboard with your privacy-obliterating proposal then you know you've really lost the plot...

Is WhatsApp still requiring access to your phone's address book before it allows you to use it? It did last time I tried it. There is no chance in hell I'm giving it all the phone numbers, emails and names of people that trusted me by giving me their details. At the time I set up a virtual android environment (samsung called it knox) just to setup WhatsApp in a way it couldn't access my phone's address book. It is ex…

It's kinda the point of WhatsApp tho, phone features using your phone number and phone book but over the internet.

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden for some things if it means supporting a company that has the power to shift policy in favor of human rights (privacy in this case).

The way I put it, is Apple's business is selling high added value products (i.e. luxury, overpriced whatever you want), while most of the other big tech companies have you and your data as their main product. I'm fine paying for the luxury and privacy that comes with it
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