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Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by _cenw »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #180
glimshe wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In even more fairness, Meta has literally skipped the EU for Threads instead of increasing privacy. In their case, it's just a careful balance of virtue signaling, it had no qualms about pushing their spyware to hundreds of millions of people, violating basic human rights in the process. Check Article 12: https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-huma...

Your comment would have been stronger if you left out the piece re: the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, because it's an eye roller. Article 12 is: > No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks. I'm no fan of Meta or the…

> voluntarily downloading an app

that's all true until an app becomes the only way to interact with certain groups of people. i certainly wouldn't call my usage of Discord voluntary. it doesn't actually matter how often i read their privacy policy and shake my head. either I break off contact with a large part of the internet that's important to me or I begrudgingly agree "voluntarily" to their terms and conditions.

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by yankput »

Hm, I wonder what they do in China.

In China they are running their own infrastructure on servers owned by party-affiliated businesses. I wonder how strong their encryption is over there?

China blocks many services with strong encryption but it doesn’t block iMessage.

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by marcellus23 »

whartung wrote: post #134

Will Apple still support SMS? Will users be notified that they’re “suddenly” dropped down to a less secure channel or will the simply have to pay attention to the text color and actually know what they mean?

The Messages app doesn't just rely on text color, it also shows the text "iMessage" or "Text Message" whenever the mode of conversation shifts.

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by nxx788 »

shipscode wrote: post #169
KerrAvon wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s really astonishing that Joe Biden seems to be generally to the left of the Labour party leadership. By USA standards Biden is a centrist moderate. We had the good sense to eject the Mark Penn “must go right-wing” types from mainstream Democratic circles; why didn’t Labour follow this path too?

You’ve gotta be in a wild echo chamber if you consider Biden centrist moderate.

Right? He's clearly center right. Sanders or Warren or AoC are centrist moderates. Or maybe center left.

Kshama Sawant is a leftist. There are folks left of her.

If you don't see Biden as centrist or even center right, you have a narrow view of the spectrum.

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by glimshe »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #180
glimshe wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In even more fairness, Meta has literally skipped the EU for Threads instead of increasing privacy. In their case, it's just a careful balance of virtue signaling, it had no qualms about pushing their spyware to hundreds of millions of people, violating basic human rights in the process. Check Article 12: https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-huma...

Your comment would have been stronger if you left out the piece re: the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, because it's an eye roller. Article 12 is: > No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks. I'm no fan of Meta or the…

I think that the problem is that Meta has normalized this violation so it doesn't feel like a big deal. It feels watered down even for someone like you who appears to be very aware of the problem.

It's like exploited workers and people living in quasi-slavery, many of them don't understand their rights and "voluntarily" waive them. My parents didn't really understand the implications of "voluntarily" accepting Meta's privacy statement - once I explained it to them, they were in complete horror.

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by onetokeoverthe »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #96
ohgodplsno wrote: post #81

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It's true, they merely have enough cash on hand to fund a small army, enough legal power to crush you in court with anything you attempt. Make no mistake: if Apple needed to get someone killed, they would. They're not some miraculous pinnacles of good in a sea of evil. It's just that they merely need to flex the law at you to destroy your life forever. Apple is no different, they'll hire the Pinkertons and break your…

>Make no mistake: if Apple needed to get someone killed, they would. Ok, I'll play along. Suppose Tim Cook wakes up tomorrow and decides for some reason he wants me dead. How exactly does he do it?

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Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by paxys »

The same Apple that lets the CCP operate its entire App Store in China?

It's easy to criticize a government when you know there will be no retaliation. To judge a company's true stance on such issues see how they behave when there's a prospect of real financial loss.

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by dmbche »

_cenw wrote: post #201
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment would have been stronger if you left out the piece re: the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, because it's an eye roller. Article 12 is: > No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks. I'm no fan of Meta or the…

> voluntarily downloading an app that's all true until an app becomes the only way to interact with certain groups of people. i certainly wouldn't call my usage of Discord voluntary. it doesn't actually matter how often i read their privacy policy and shake my head. either I break off contact with a large part of the internet that's important to me or I begrudgingly agree "voluntarily" to their terms and conditions.

May I ask, what compels you to use discord if it's not voluntary? It's absolutely impossible to use keybase or signal?

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by sanitycheck »

KerrAvon wrote: post #156
laputan_machine wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Labour are even more in favour of this than the tories are. Lib Dems, too. No mainstream party in the UK values your privacy.

It’s really astonishing that Joe Biden seems to be generally to the left of the Labour party leadership. By USA standards Biden is a centrist moderate. We had the good sense to eject the Mark Penn “must go right-wing” types from mainstream Democratic circles; why didn’t Labour follow this path too?

We have recently seen what happens when somebody even slightly left of centre gets anywhere near power in the UK.

Our major parties are now squashed into the spectrum between the mean US Democrat and the mean US Republican, it's quite depressing.

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by _cenw »

lwhi wrote: post #194
codetrotter wrote: post #100

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> Apple didn't give two stones about security until it became a marketing/selling point as a counterpoint to the big G That’s not true. Apple was position itself as being better at security than Microsoft long before Google was selling devices to people. For example: https://youtu.be/VuqZ8AqmLPY

Hmm, might want to reconsider that [1] [1] https://www.theregister.com/2017/11/28/root_access_bypass_ma... .

security isn't privacy, and technology isn't a public policy alignment
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