"it would", not "it will". this submission's title is misleading and should be corrected to match the article
Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
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Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
#182Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden for some things if it means supporting a company that has the power to shift policy in favor of human rights (privacy in this case).
Ignoring the client side scanning ability that is built into the OS, which raises other suspicions. It takes a lot of unearned trust to to assume that there isn't classified surveillance occurring. If it is, public virtue signalling about not breaking encryption is theater. As the surveillance occurs prior to encryption.
> Ignoring the client side scanning ability that is built into the OS
Which client side scanning would that be?
Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
#183Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden for some things if it means supporting a company that has the power to shift policy in favor of human rights (privacy in this case).
You are just giving your secrets to a company you can't change instead of a goverment you can elect.
WTF? I can buy a phone from another company if I disagree with Apple's approach, or use no phone at all. Try doing that with your government sometime and see how it goes for you.
Nobody worries about the government giving customer data to Apple, do they? Why do you suppose that might be?
Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
#184Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden for some things if it means supporting a company that has the power to shift policy in favor of human rights (privacy in this case).
> Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choice-supportive_bias
the tendency to retroactively ascribe positive attributes to an option one has selected and/or to demote the forgone options. It is part of cognitive science, and is a distinct cognitive bias that occurs once a decision is made. For example, if a person chooses option A instead of option B, they are likely to ignore or downplay the faults of option A while amplifying or ascribing new negative faults to option B. Conversely, they are also likely to notice and amplify the advantages of option A and not notice or de-emphasize those of option B
Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
#185Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden for some things if it means supporting a company that has the power to shift policy in favor of human rights (privacy in this case).
Actions like this is why I used to trust Google. Fighting government overreach should have been a critical part of technology and data.
But it seems Google was more political in its relationships than idealistic. And now the entire sector is compromised.
Apple will be one day compromised too. In some crevice of some unknown government office is a person working on a ten-year initiative to get access to inaccessible information in the tech sector. AT&T was compromised this way. Microsoft was compromised this way. Google was compromised.
What is to say Apple won't be compromised??
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#186> Apple previously withdrew plans for its own CSAM-scanning feature for iCloud Photos, following pushback from customers and human rights groups. Apple’s solution was more privacy-preserving than what is now proposed by the UK government. Preface: I don't have an opinion on one side or the other. Question: what were the arguments lobbied against apple that caused them to withdraw? Also, is CSAM the motivating factor…
> Also, is CSAM the motivating factor for UK or do they want backdoor for more general national security surveillance Baroness Beeban Kidron has been lobbying for stringent anti-CSAM measures in tech for years [0]. She's lead a major pressure campaign in the US, Canada, and the UK for years [1]. Her charity 5Rights and WeProtect both have been able to back Labour and the Tories so she's able to lobby across the aisle…
I know I’m from a different culture - but I don’t understand how the UK still has the House of Lords in 2023.
It just doesn’t seem aligned with the principles of a republic or democracy to have unelected lifetime members who are able to draft legislation.
Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
#187Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
#188Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden for some things if it means supporting a company that has the power to shift policy in favor of human rights (privacy in this case).
In fairness, Meta has said the same thing re: WhatsApp, so while Apple deserves _some_ credit here for sticking to their principles, they're not exactly leading the pack. Which brings home the point that if _Meta_ isn't onboard with your privacy-obliterating proposal then you know you've really lost the plot...
In Saudi Arabia and other places, Whatsapp is not encrypted. Otherwise those services would be banned.
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
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What? The police openly admitted after an investigation that this is the reason they let it continue for generations. I'm framing this in reference to the UK government claiming they need the information to prevent child trafficking while their track record indicates that even with data they ignored it for decades. Please save the hysteria and wild accusations for Twitter https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/sto…
Are there sources other then the police, who failed to act and have a vested interest in finding excuses?
Because "the dog ate my homework" I mean "no, cause I didn't want to be racist" stretches credulity.
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#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
> That could be true? IIRC, PRISM was less about direct access, and more about abusing every potential method of gaining information. Direct access to the data was mentioned in the Guardian and other newspapers
Newspapers often get details wrong.
And mega-corporations often lie.