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What being on the front page of Hacker News does for our bottom line

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Re: What being on the front page of Hacker News does for our bottom line

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post #4

Upvote us, downvote us, ignore us – I don’t care I think this is a good attitude to have, but I have to point out that obviously it matters a little. Otherwise, this post wouldn't exist.

Personally I like their posts, and it certainly doesn't bother me when they reach the front page of HN. The only thing I'm tired of is all the predictable hate that goes their way. In fact, I find it a little petty and embarrassing for HN.

Re: What being on the front page of Hacker News does for our bottom line

#12
> During that period, there were 24,826 first time visitors to any of our sites who we could identify as having first gotten to us via Hacker News (in all, we received more like 105,000 unique visitors from Hacker News, but many of those were repeat visitors). 97 of those visitors signed up, with more than 85% of them electing the free plan.

Left unsaid: how many of the 105,000 unique HN visitors are customers?

Also left unsaid (but harder to quantify): how many of those 105,000 HN visitors are influencers who have referred 37 Signal products to others? (FWIW, I know of at least half a dozen teams who've signed up for BaseCamp paid accounts as a result of my recommendation.)

[ UPDATE: In response to subsequent comments below, I've created a poll here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3680400 ]

Re: What being on the front page of Hacker News does for our bottom line

#13
This is the first time a post on 37signals has me a little put off. It seems unnecessary and slightly childish. It wasn't meant to show how posts on HN can contribute to their business but to shove it in people's faces. You would hope that smart people like them can figure out that a few people do not speak for an entire community.

Re: What being on the front page of Hacker News does for our bottom line

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post #12

> During that period, there were 24,826 first time visitors to any of our sites who we could identify as having first gotten to us via Hacker News (in all, we received more like 105,000 unique visitors from Hacker News, but many of those were repeat visitors). 97 of those visitors signed up, with more than 85% of them electing the free plan. Left unsaid: how many of the 105,000 unique HN visitors are customers? Also…

Very true statement! I've been a customer for a long time now and I also have recommended it to many clients. As I am sure a lot more have. I am curious what the answer would be in a poll.

Re: What being on the front page of Hacker News does for our bottom line

#16
post #10

They should have just smiled at the naysayers and went on with their day. To post an entire article on the negativity of one community seems unfocused. My only question is: why? Disclosure: I'm a big fan of 37signals. This is kind of a surprise.

It isn't even the negative of one community, but rather the negativity of a small group of people within that overarching community.

People need to realize that sources of content almost always come in waves here on HN -- when someone makes an erudite post that makes it to the front page, there are a lot of people who will watch that source looking to repeat that success. And then you'll get the voters who'll vote it up just because it's familiar, until it becomes too familiar when they'll vote it down for the same reason.

We've seen these come in waves over the years (I've used HN far longer than this account). Coding Horror, Daring Fireball, Marco.org, Scott Adams, Dustin Curtis, etc. A small amount of very good content, and then lots and lots and lots of turgid waste that makes the front page simply because the author once did.

Re: What being on the front page of Hacker News does for our bottom line

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I think the tone of the post was a bit combative (which is unnecessary), however, the posts clearly fit the guidelines of HN and were on a whole relatively interesting. There's nothing wrong with their posting habits.

They quoted the number of posts they made on their blog but they didn't address whether: 1) they submitted more of their own blog posts to HN or 2) changed the content of their blog posts to appeal to HN readers more. I think they probably did (which is fine with me).

Re: What being on the front page of Hacker News does for our bottom line

#18
I think 37signals has enough relevant hits on HN to their credit that entitle them to a couple of misses. However,

When all is said and done, what’s our likely financial outcome from Hacker News visitors for those 25 posts? About $300 total per month.

A bit simplistic and conveniently short-sighted view if you ask me.

Re: What being on the front page of Hacker News does for our bottom line

#20
To be fair, 37 Signals doesn't quite have the kind of product where I go "Wow what a great blog post, hey i've been needing such and such". When i'm choosing software to manage my project I evaluate all choices. Only after i've made an informed decision do I choose to sign up.

However, I can confirm with at least myself that the blog posts have given me confidence about their product that competitors don't have. In effect their posts have pushed me closer to using their product.

What i'm trying to get at, is that their posts are probably more effective at sales than they're giving themselves credit for. However it's hard to measure.

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