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Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by kyriakos »

vel0city wrote: post #178
TeMPOraL wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I must be an unique snowflake, because I switched jobs around March 2020, and the new place used Teams exclusively, and... it was good. Not stellar, but good for the standards of software in this decade. Better than Slack, anyway. There were some weird glitches happening couple times a year, but nothing major. So either I'm incredibly lucky, or - my going hypothesis - Teams actually does work quite well, if you deplo…

Other than it using more CPU than it has any right to, Teams generally has worked well for me as well. The workplace has pretty fully embraced onedrive and SharePoint. Running on Windows.

sharepoint / onedrive integration with teams is one of those "just works" things. its really great for collaboration. teams has a lot of issues, especially regarding performance but its very feature-packed.

Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by jodrellblank »

tracker1 wrote: post #259
reaperducer wrote: post #147

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Outlook, in contrast, pushes its calendaring features I've never understood Outlook being both email and calendar. Does no one at Microsoft ever want to read an email and reference their calendar at the same time, or vice versa?

I hate that I can't view the calendar separately from the email editor... it is convenient to have the integration in terms of invites/notifications and the availability for scheduling meetings is nice. My biggest gripe is the distributed db that backs exchange/outlook365 mail on their server... I operate on inbox-zero and when I clear all the filtered mail out, then try to empty the "trash" I either have to wait 2 m…

> I hate that I can't view the calendar separately from the email editor...

You can; open outlook, right click the Calendar thing, Open In New Window.

Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by manuelabeledo »

eitland wrote: post #296
manuelabeledo wrote: post #244

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How is that even in the same category? Google does not force you to install Chrome in order to use Search.

Here's the thkng you are missing: Google, like Microsoft before them, pushes their own products in ways that no others are allowed to: - Microsoft pre-bundled IE and Windows Media Player when no one else could bundle anything. - Google pushed ads against Firefox and for Chrome on the front page of Google search (i.e. before a search was typed) something I am not aware if anyone neither humanitarian or commercial enti…

Again, not the same.

Google did not cripple their products to work only on Chrome. It did not force customers to install Chrome on their computers, nor had partnerships with OEMs to preinstall its browser.

> Google pushed ads against Firefox and for Chrome on the front page of Google search

I highly doubt that Google, one of Mozilla main sponsors, had ads against Firefox in their Search homepage. They do promote Chrome in Search and Gmail, but not in YouTube as far as I know.

But that is beyond the point. Google uses its own real estate to promote their products, exactly like Mozilla does with Firefox and their VPN and Relay services. Mozilla also bundles Pocket within Firefox, by the way.

It's not great, but I think that a company should be allowed to promote a product in their own spaces, always respecting the autonomy of the user, and without aggressively pushing it.

Which is exactly why Microsoft is and should be in trouble. They not only bundled Teams in Office 365, but also defaulted to or pointed at Teams for every single operation coming from any other Office application.

Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by trympet »

_cenw wrote: post #36
skrause wrote: post #28

My employer is a prime example for this case: We use Microsoft 365 because we need Microsoft Office and use their email hosting. And then we use Teams simply because it's already included in the package anyway, even though many employees hate it, but it's hard to argue for another solution because why pay for Slack when we already have Teams "for free"? And since Teams doesn't really need to compete on functionality…

Saw the same pattern with 3 employers over the past 5 years. One killed Slack and all institutional knowledge in its search engine within a month. One replaced all remaining Intel Macs (not an insignificant amount) because Teams would being them to a standstill. The last one is currently happening and I'm wondering what unexpected cost will come to haunt this decision this time. Though one thing that always suffers i…

I've used Power Automate in the past to create bots. Worked fairly well.

Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by trympet »

vel0city wrote: post #178
TeMPOraL wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I must be an unique snowflake, because I switched jobs around March 2020, and the new place used Teams exclusively, and... it was good. Not stellar, but good for the standards of software in this decade. Better than Slack, anyway. There were some weird glitches happening couple times a year, but nothing major. So either I'm incredibly lucky, or - my going hypothesis - Teams actually does work quite well, if you deplo…

Other than it using more CPU than it has any right to, Teams generally has worked well for me as well. The workplace has pretty fully embraced onedrive and SharePoint. Running on Windows.

You should try the Teams preview. Much better in terms of resource usage. https://adoption.microsoft.com/en-us/new-microsoft-teams/

Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by vel0city »

trympet wrote: post #305
vel0city wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other than it using more CPU than it has any right to, Teams generally has worked well for me as well. The workplace has pretty fully embraced onedrive and SharePoint. Running on Windows.

You should try the Teams preview. Much better in terms of resource usage. https://adoption.microsoft.com/en-us/new-microsoft-teams/

I do use it, and yes, its a lot better than the old. Thanks!

Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by meetingthrower »

jodrellblank wrote: post #302
tracker1 wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate that I can't view the calendar separately from the email editor... it is convenient to have the integration in terms of invites/notifications and the availability for scheduling meetings is nice. My biggest gripe is the distributed db that backs exchange/outlook365 mail on their server... I operate on inbox-zero and when I clear all the filtered mail out, then try to empty the "trash" I either have to wait 2 m…

> I hate that I can't view the calendar separately from the email editor... You can; open outlook, right click the Calendar thing, Open In New Window.

OMG. Tks

Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by photonerd »

sznio wrote: post #120
photonerd wrote: post #53

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Speed is why I use Safari now. It feels like Chrome did compared to FF back in the day. It’s painful using Chrome by comparison. If it wasn’t for Chromes better dev tools I doubt I’d use it much

Only reason Safari feels fast is that it has avoided implementing features. There's still stuff that's been present in Chrome/Firefox for 10 years, but still doesn't work in Safari. Does Google still show the old search results page design to Safari users? It did that for a long time.

Frankly, Safari works.

If those features slow down the web then that’s a knock on those features. Plus I’ve yet to see a single one of these supposedly “missing” features actually matter in the real world.

Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by photonerd »

Version467 wrote: post #186
photonerd wrote: post #53

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Speed is why I use Safari now. It feels like Chrome did compared to FF back in the day. It’s painful using Chrome by comparison. If it wasn’t for Chromes better dev tools I doubt I’d use it much

May I recommend Orion? It's based on Safaris engine, but imo improves massively on its ui (for example it comes with a fantastic (opt-in) tree-style tab browser). But most importantly it supports chrome and firefox extensions. Most of them do just work out of the box.

Not gonna lie, a tree-style tab browser sounds like awful UI to me, but… I’m glad you like it.

Supporting the insecure bloatware that is Chrome & FF extensions tho? Massive convenience factor, I get it, but… ewwww

Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by eitland »

manuelabeledo wrote: post #303
eitland wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the thkng you are missing: Google, like Microsoft before them, pushes their own products in ways that no others are allowed to: - Microsoft pre-bundled IE and Windows Media Player when no one else could bundle anything. - Google pushed ads against Firefox and for Chrome on the front page of Google search (i.e. before a search was typed) something I am not aware if anyone neither humanitarian or commercial enti…

Again, not the same. Google did not cripple their products to work only on Chrome. It did not force customers to install Chrome on their computers, nor had partnerships with OEMs to preinstall its browser. > Google pushed ads against Firefox and for Chrome on the front page of Google search I highly doubt that Google, one of Mozilla main sponsors, had ads against Firefox in their Search homepage. They do promote Chro…

> Google did not cripple their products to work only on Chrome.

Without defending Microsoft, they deserve a visit from relevant authorities, at least Calendar, the search results page and YouTube have had "funny" issues with other browsers and sometimes they have went away if one changed how the browser identified itself.

> I highly doubt that Google, one of Mozilla main sponsors, had ads against Firefox in their Search homepage.

I saw it.

"Download a better browser" it said when I was already using Firefox.

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