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Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by mrangle »

obituary_latte wrote: post #2

Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden for some things if it means supporting a company that has the power to shift policy in favor of human rights (privacy in this case).

Ignoring the client side scanning ability that is built into the OS, which raises other suspicions.

It takes a lot of unearned trust to to assume that there isn't classified surveillance occurring.

If it is, public virtue signalling about not breaking encryption is theater. As the surveillance occurs prior to encryption.

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

13of40 wrote: post #79
blitz_skull wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are not human rights. Privacy, on the other hand, is.

The right to repair is a direct extension of "banging the rocks together" - i.e. toolmaking, the main thing that defines us as humans. How can that not be a human right?

> the main thing that defines us as humans. How can that not be a human right?

Plenty of animals use tools [1]. And this isn’t how we define human rights. Bipedalism is quintessentially human, that doesn’t make tunnels a crime against humanity.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tool_use_by_non-humans

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by barbazoo »

blitz_skull wrote: post #45
f6v wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not in a society.

Wrong. Society is just a social construct, but your right to independent thought and agency, which is powered by privacy, are fundamental to the human experience.

No one is taking away anyone's right to independent thought, at least for now. Patent was talking about privacy though, I'm not sure our species has a fundamental right to it, how did you arrive at that conclusion?

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by Miraste »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #31
edandersen wrote: post #18

Are iMessage and Facetime disabled in China?

iMessage and FaceTime are available in China, but it hardly matters because most communication in China happens over WeChat. If all the important stuff is happening over the heavily monitored app, leaving a few scragglers is not a big deal. Especially because, it's not like a criminal gang is going to have the money to arm every member with an iPhone with China's wages (and the ones that do are likely white-collar an…

iCloud backup is not E2E encrypted anywhere by default, although it does now have the option to turn it on in non-China countries.

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by scarface_74 »

GoToRO wrote: post #44
obituary_latte wrote: post #2

Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden for some things if it means supporting a company that has the power to shift policy in favor of human rights (privacy in this case).

You are just giving your secrets to a company you can't change instead of a goverment you can elect.

How many people are going to make encryption their top priority when voting?

And besides, private corporations don’t have a “monopoly on violence”, the government does

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by sebzim4500 »

ohgodplsno wrote: post #81
wonderwonder wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The company doesn't have a hundred thousand armed officers with the ability to arrest / kill me for anything they can claim they found. Government comes equipped with legal violence, the company comes equipped with targeted ads

It's true, they merely have enough cash on hand to fund a small army, enough legal power to crush you in court with anything you attempt. Make no mistake: if Apple needed to get someone killed, they would. They're not some miraculous pinnacles of good in a sea of evil. It's just that they merely need to flex the law at you to destroy your life forever. Apple is no different, they'll hire the Pinkertons and break your…

>Make no mistake: if Apple needed to get someone killed, they would.

Ok, I'll play along. Suppose Tim Cook wakes up tomorrow and decides for some reason he wants me dead. How exactly does he do it?

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by lolinder »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #76
obituary_latte wrote: post #2

Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden for some things if it means supporting a company that has the power to shift policy in favor of human rights (privacy in this case).

>Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden @dang Is there any way I can counter-argument this statement without it getting flagged? If so, please let me know how. Because so far I have failed and I don't know what rule I broke by countering this statement.

Flags aren't for rule breaking, they just mean enough people found your comment inflammatory or otherwise objectionable enough to hit the "flag" button.

If you have a link to the flagged comment, I can probably help you understand why HN users would have flagged it. This comment is getting downvotes because complaining about downvotes and flags always does.

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by zikduruqe »

fennecfoxy wrote: post #87
frankfrank13 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Meta _needs_ WhatsApp to be their loss-leader (not really, but you know) when it comes to security. They always get to say "oh but WhatsApp is E2E!! We do care about security!"

I mean Apple didn't give two stones about security until it became a marketing/selling point as a counterpoint to the big G.

It's called market shift.

Automative manufactures didn't give a rats ass about fuel economy until customers wanted it.

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by [deleted] »

GoToRO wrote: post #44
obituary_latte wrote: post #2

Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden for some things if it means supporting a company that has the power to shift policy in favor of human rights (privacy in this case).

You are just giving your secrets to a company you can't change instead of a goverment you can elect.

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Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by codetrotter »

fennecfoxy wrote: post #87
frankfrank13 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Meta _needs_ WhatsApp to be their loss-leader (not really, but you know) when it comes to security. They always get to say "oh but WhatsApp is E2E!! We do care about security!"

I mean Apple didn't give two stones about security until it became a marketing/selling point as a counterpoint to the big G.

> Apple didn't give two stones about security until it became a marketing/selling point as a counterpoint to the big G

That’s not true. Apple was position itself as being better at security than Microsoft long before Google was selling devices to people.

For example:

https://youtu.be/VuqZ8AqmLPY

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