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Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by goodpoint »

chaxor wrote: post #43
menacingly wrote: post #31

This is really nice, but I think the perennial curse of technology people is producing " , but with " People want a thing, not an ideal, and they'll sell their soul to get the thing. At this point, it's actually being surprised by this that is the ludicrous position. Philosophies are a differentiator for a very small portion of population. If you want them to buy into ideals, you've taken on two problems: Make a thin…

You're on a forum for hackers, so most of the people here are the ones that care about the specifics of technology.

> You're on a forum for hackers

I wish. "Hacker" news has nothing to do with that.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by idmontie »

"There's no browser version of the app. Anytype is a stand-alone software, that works on desktop or mobile devices. There are many points of vulnerability in-browser apps that would compromise our commitment to data security and encryption."

What does this even mean? How does having a mobile app mean more security than a web app?

Are they worried about browser extensions? Or is this just an excuse not to host on the web?

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by number6 »

jrm4 wrote: post #56

Everything about this smells like "we're going to say we're open-source and that you're always fully in control" and then you read the fine print and find out there's some way to rugpull or some other barrier that will screw the user. At this stage, having seen so many of these things, I'm comfortable disbelieving them outright WITHOUT reading further.

My feeling to: feels like a free sample and then they will lock you in

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by pronkin »

Zambyte wrote: post #85
sharipova wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(co-founder of anytype) our main promises are privacy, end-to-end encryption, user controlled keys, self-hosting, p2p sync - all of which should add up to what we can user autonomy from the software provider which we believe to be important. To prove these claims the best way is open the source code. As promises of encryption and ownership stay promises unless you can be sure of it. That was one main motivation and w…

So I see the networking portions of the code are Free Software - that's great. How are people expected to use it if their use does not fall under "non-commercial use" as defined in the client license? Do you expect people to write their own clients for commercial use, or do you offer commercial licenses?

For non-commercial use, you're prohibited from selling it, but using it within your organization is permitted

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by lucideer »

andrewshadura wrote: post #91
number6 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the second time today that someone mistakes open source and free software. See: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.... I don't blame you, it's a bit schadenfreude on my part because "open source" companies try to dress as free software but aren't

No. Open source is the same as free software. It is a marketing term for free software, that defines the same concept in more practical terms. If you actually read the article you linked, you would have known that.

Open source is not the same as free software.

There are broadly two camps: Camp 1 who advocate for free software & free software alone, and Camp 2 who advocate for "open source" being an all-encompassing umbrella term for a few things, including free software. Those in Camp 1 are typically not supportive of the goals of those in Camp 2. Those in Camp 2 do often try and equivocate the two terms.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by pronkin »

Zambyte wrote: post #85
sharipova wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(co-founder of anytype) our main promises are privacy, end-to-end encryption, user controlled keys, self-hosting, p2p sync - all of which should add up to what we can user autonomy from the software provider which we believe to be important. To prove these claims the best way is open the source code. As promises of encryption and ownership stay promises unless you can be sure of it. That was one main motivation and w…

So I see the networking portions of the code are Free Software - that's great. How are people expected to use it if their use does not fall under "non-commercial use" as defined in the client license? Do you expect people to write their own clients for commercial use, or do you offer commercial licenses?

The idea if you want to sell clients, you need to get a permission form our association.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by nashashmi »

derbOac wrote: post #7

Can someone explain this is — what it does and what it's used for? I'm not familiar with Notion at all and the page — which basically says you can use it for everything — is not helpful in this regard. It sounds like a P2P shared note and document app but it's not clear to me.

Notion is a note taking app. With a shared note feature. (You are right.)

And then it has a ton of more features, almost too many too mention.

Anything apart from simple unformatted text is (in summary) called a component.

It has a wide variety of components. Some of these components have a level of intelligence to them. Some of these components are references and links to information in other notes. Some of them are intelligent components that selectively show information in other notes. Some of them are intelligent components that selectively show information in other components.

Components can be tables, formatted headers, lists, dynamic content, charts, “views” similar to sql views, etc.

That is all I know.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

#108

Post by lucideer »

pronkin wrote: post #99
wallmountedtv wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When will VC companies stop conflating source available with open source? It's even worse than just being closed source as it's trying to pander to a group for money, and without any respect to the actual values of what they are saying.

Our philosophy surrounding open-source is uncomplicated and clear. All essential protocols and data formats are subject to the MIT license. However, considering our clients' needs and with the MongoDB situation as a reference, we must maintain some degree of defensibility. Our objective is to foster a collaborative atmosphere, co-creating with the community. The size of the community matters to us; when it reaches a…

These are all noble goals, and I don't think many commenters here are arguing that they're not justified. Just that the specific use of the term "open source" is incorrectly applied (to your own benefit).

If a subset of things you do are open source, that's great. Say that.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by taink »

pronkin wrote: post #75
taink wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They seem to have only one "node" so far, because the software is still in alpha? That's what their docs seem to say[1]. All your data primarily syncs to the encrypted backup node in the current alpha. For alpha testers, the application is always connected to the backup node and cannot be disconnected. Their homepage could tell this more clearly. It doesn't look like it's in alpha. [1] https://doc.anytype.io/d/troubl…

We are in open beta now. We have a network of nodes not one node.

You should update your docs because this is not what they say. I seem to understand you just started the open beta -- congratulations. You should still mention your product is in beta on your homepage (or at the very least, your download page).

EDIT: How can I see which nodes are in the network? There's only one ID on https://networks.any.coop/ and I don't know what to do with it.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by pronkin »

rebeccaskinner wrote: post #93
pronkin wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Co-founder of anytype is here. The most of are repos are fully open-source. We have our philosophy regarding open source here https://blog.anytype.io/our-open-philosophy/ Happy to discuss concerns regarding our approach.

Using the term Open Source for a product when most of the code is under a license that isn’t Open Source feels dishonest to me. The product you build is certainly yours to release however you see fit, but if I’m looking for open source software and I find this I’m going to be extremely skeptical of everything you say. On top of that, the license itself is actually incredibly restrictive. I’m not a lawyer, but my read…

Thank you the comment, it's clear that licence is not clear and we need to improve. Our idea is straightforward: if you want to use the software, you can do so for free, whether for personal use or within an organization. However, if you aim to sell it for profit, you need to contribute to its creation in some way; this is why permission is required. At least, that's the case at this early stage.
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