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Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by cj »

> Apple previously withdrew plans for its own CSAM-scanning feature for iCloud Photos, following pushback from customers and human rights groups. Apple’s solution was more privacy-preserving than what is now proposed by the UK government.

Preface: I don't have an opinion on one side or the other.

Question: what were the arguments lobbied against apple that caused them to withdraw? Also, is CSAM the motivating factor for UK or do they want backdoor for more general national security surveillance (or whatever you want to call it)?

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by garyNeedsa »

epcoa wrote: post #10
jmclnx wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope they really do this. All too often Companies will say this then when the law is passed they back down. Why, stockholders. Has Apple really removed iMessage and FaceTime anywere else ? Are these available with 100% full encryption in China ? If so then they are just blowing wind :(

> Are these available with 100% full encryption in China ? If so then they are just blowing wind :( Talk less, read more.

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Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by throwaway894345 »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #9
obituary_latte wrote: post #2

Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden for some things if it means supporting a company that has the power to shift policy in favor of human rights (privacy in this case).

>Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden Such statements rarely end up ageing like wine in the long run. Why would you be so happy about being owned by some big corporation just because it's your favorite big corporation? Self preservation has taught me not to trust any big corporation, regardless of how good their PR is.

Apple has been around for a pretty long time as far as tech companies go. I have grievances with them, but mostly they do a better than average job on privacy.

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by Keats »

obituary_latte wrote: post #2

Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden for some things if it means supporting a company that has the power to shift policy in favor of human rights (privacy in this case).

Unless it's China in which case they will not care about it!

Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption

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Post by iainmerrick »

hbn wrote: post #5
Doches wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fairness, Meta has said the same thing re: WhatsApp, so while Apple deserves _some_ credit here for sticking to their principles, they're not exactly leading the pack. Which brings home the point that if _Meta_ isn't onboard with your privacy-obliterating proposal then you know you've really lost the plot...

If anything that's a bolder move considering everyone uses Whatsapp there and barely anyone uses iMessage

Both are very popular in the UK.
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