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Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by taminka »

rchaud wrote: post #35
taminka wrote: post #6

i've been following anytype since 2019, when the initial public release plan was for autumn of 2020 (lol), and since then it has transitioned from being a libp2p based google docs alternative into something more complicated, with relationships, sets, etc, and tbh i just never use it, because it's become too complicated every time i open the app, which uses electron btw ;(, i catch myself looking at the explainer vide…

It's not unusual to need several hours of use to understand if a tool is right for you. I use Logseq and Obsidian, and without going to the forums and watching how the features are supposed to be used, I would have continued to use it like Notepad++, becuase out of the box, that's all it looks like it does.

true, i guess i phrased it a little bit wrong

i do understand it now, it's more like i don't have a use case for a graph structure to my documents/files, and since i sort of went exploring anytype while retaining the initial positioning of the app (p2p google documents), i was somewhat disappointed

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by pronkin »

pgeorgi wrote: post #28

Note, their idea[0] of "open source" doesn't match the popular Open Source Definition [1] [0] https://github.com/anyproto/anytype-kotlin/blob/main/LICENSE... [1] https://opensource.org/osd/

Co-founder of anytype is here. The most of are repos are fully open-source. We have our philosophy regarding open source here https://blog.anytype.io/our-open-philosophy/ Happy to discuss concerns regarding our approach.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by arapacana »

ocrow wrote: post #8

I'm not familiar with Notion. How does this compare to something like Obsidian?

Their philosophies are quite different; Obsidian is much more text and link oriented (it's basically a front-end for markdown), whereas Notion is object-oriented and gives primacy to the kinds of objects that can contain text (blocks, tables, quotes, etc.)

Obsidian can be made to work like Notion and vice-versa, but I see Obsidian as more of a hypertext environment/wiki creator, and Notion as an integrated environment to interface with different ways of interacting with knowledge-focused objects.

I prefer Obsidian largely due to its simplicity, and the fact that it maps really well to how I think. Notion is also incredible for what it does, but it's too much for my brain, and the app is still a bit too slow for the speed with which my thoughts can escape me.

Anytype purports to be like Notion.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by sydon »

kykeonaut wrote: post #50
pgeorgi wrote: post #28

Note, their idea[0] of "open source" doesn't match the popular Open Source Definition [1] [0] https://github.com/anyproto/anytype-kotlin/blob/main/LICENSE... [1] https://opensource.org/osd/

Hence why the "free" in "Free and Open Source Software" really matters. :)

Damn, didn't even think about that.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by icy »

pronkin wrote: post #48
iFire wrote: post #39

I don't understand this license. It's not open-source. https://github.com/anyproto/anytype-ts/blob/main/LICENSE.md

Co-founder of anytype is here. The most of are repos are open-source. We have our philosophy regarding open source here https://blog.anytype.io/our-open-philosophy/ Happy to discuss concerns regarding our approach.

Yeah no, that's not how open-source works. Your license is effectively a "source available" license and not officially approved by the OSI: https://opensource.org/licenses/

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by taminka »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #33
taminka wrote: post #6

i've been following anytype since 2019, when the initial public release plan was for autumn of 2020 (lol), and since then it has transitioned from being a libp2p based google docs alternative into something more complicated, with relationships, sets, etc, and tbh i just never use it, because it's become too complicated every time i open the app, which uses electron btw ;(, i catch myself looking at the explainer vide…

It really is amazing how little competition Google docs has with free or open tools. I just want something that lets me write a never ending river of rich text documents. I don't want to write markdown source (by default), I don't want a "preview" as I type, etc.--I want WYSIWYG. I don't want to micromanage folders and hierarchies and classifications and tags and whatnot, I don't even want to think about storage or f…

real

a libp2p based wysiwyg or even a plaintext app with p2p sync + works offline + encrypted + cross device sync + collaboration with other users would be invaluable

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by iFire »

pronkin wrote: post #48
iFire wrote: post #39

I don't understand this license. It's not open-source. https://github.com/anyproto/anytype-ts/blob/main/LICENSE.md

Co-founder of anytype is here. The most of are repos are open-source. We have our philosophy regarding open source here https://blog.anytype.io/our-open-philosophy/ Happy to discuss concerns regarding our approach.

I don't see your license on this list -- https://opensource.org/licenses/

Please don't advertise anytype as open-source.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by itherseed »

pgeorgi wrote: post #28

Note, their idea[0] of "open source" doesn't match the popular Open Source Definition [1] [0] https://github.com/anyproto/anytype-kotlin/blob/main/LICENSE... [1] https://opensource.org/osd/

You should be always skeptic but when someone write "Pure transparency — trust our code, not our words" in an EXTRA BIG font, you should be extra skeptic.

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by sharipova »

rodrigodlu wrote: post #54

Painful to import things from Logseq or Obsidian. It imports one md at a time, and the 'zip' thing does not click me. It seem to focus too much on individual collections and pages and investing time upfront thinking about how to organize and navigate. Awesome replacement for some things I had in OneNote, thou. Like an easy personal wiki. But logseq (and as a second choice obsidian) is taking my heart because the acti…

(co-founder of anytype) thank you for this feedback! Totally agree, that import sucks - very few options. We plan to improve the import and also publish an API to engage our community of contributors to help us build and improve more of them. on titles of daily notes - again, well spotted - again, we have plans to improve :) happy you liked p2p sync - this was the main objective and the next big thing here is multi-player based on p2p

Re: Anytype – local-first, P2P Notion alternative

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Post by pronkin »

16bitvoid wrote: post #36
catapart wrote: post #22

This is awesome! Love to see more local-first, security-focused apps! Especially ones that are free. Asking because I'm currently working on a local-first app that I am gaming out how to sync to non-local networks: The docs state that the app syncs to local P2P networks. Does that mean it doesn't sync across the internet? If so, is that because of the cost of maintaining/renting a TURN server? Or is there a technical…

> Does that mean it doesn't sync across the internet? They currently host their own backup node, so it does sync across the internet, but you only get 1GB of storage (or 10GB if you were in the alpha) on their backup node. Once that's exceeded, additional files are only synced P2P. They're planning on providing extra storage for a cost and soon anyone will be able to self-host their own backup node.

P2P sync over the internet on our roadmap. We plan to release it later this year. Our protocol already supports it, but we need to implement peer discovery.
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