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The past is not true

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Re: The past is not true

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Post by rgrieselhuber »

hef19898 wrote: post #8
rodelrod wrote: post #5

"History is not true. You can change history. The actual factual events are such a small part of the story. Everything else is interpretation." OK, you've discovered post-modernism. Next step is to avoid its pitfalls. The actual factual events are infinite and one is exposed to a small subset to interpret. That does not mean you're allowed to make up, distort, and selectively ignore facts to suit whatever narrative y…

History is absolutely true, factually true at that. Facts are sometimes hard to come by, heck some facks of modern history are still classified, but that does not give people carte blanche to make up stuff as they go... Like yeah, he was in an accident, media misreported it. Thing is so, how comes he, and the women, never knew who was at fault? Insuramce sure did some investigation as did police. Not knowing the fact…

And if he was driving recklessly that fact doesn’t change simply because the other driver also wasn’t paying attention and didn’t blame him for it. Past mistakes are also painful to remember but the best way to deal with them is to acknowledge the reality and then change what you need to in your character to make sure we don’t repeat them.

Re: The past is not true

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Post by ttonkytonk »

hef19898 wrote: post #8
rodelrod wrote: post #5

"History is not true. You can change history. The actual factual events are such a small part of the story. Everything else is interpretation." OK, you've discovered post-modernism. Next step is to avoid its pitfalls. The actual factual events are infinite and one is exposed to a small subset to interpret. That does not mean you're allowed to make up, distort, and selectively ignore facts to suit whatever narrative y…

History is absolutely true, factually true at that. Facts are sometimes hard to come by, heck some facks of modern history are still classified, but that does not give people carte blanche to make up stuff as they go... Like yeah, he was in an accident, media misreported it. Thing is so, how comes he, and the women, never knew who was at fault? Insuramce sure did some investigation as did police. Not knowing the fact…

History is true, but the history anyone knows is selective, a mental model, often guessed or interpreted, and usually secondhand information.

Re: The past is not true

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Post by rhaway84773 »

hef19898 wrote: post #8
rodelrod wrote: post #5

"History is not true. You can change history. The actual factual events are such a small part of the story. Everything else is interpretation." OK, you've discovered post-modernism. Next step is to avoid its pitfalls. The actual factual events are infinite and one is exposed to a small subset to interpret. That does not mean you're allowed to make up, distort, and selectively ignore facts to suit whatever narrative y…

History is absolutely true, factually true at that. Facts are sometimes hard to come by, heck some facks of modern history are still classified, but that does not give people carte blanche to make up stuff as they go... Like yeah, he was in an accident, media misreported it. Thing is so, how comes he, and the women, never knew who was at fault? Insuramce sure did some investigation as did police. Not knowing the fact…

To some extent what you’re disagreeing about is linguistics. Is history the actual events that took place or our knowledge of events that took place. And to be honest, there’s also a question of whether there’sa difference because what we don’t know about the past might as will not have happened.

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Post by jvm___ »

ttonkytonk wrote: post #12
hef19898 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

History is absolutely true, factually true at that. Facts are sometimes hard to come by, heck some facks of modern history are still classified, but that does not give people carte blanche to make up stuff as they go... Like yeah, he was in an accident, media misreported it. Thing is so, how comes he, and the women, never knew who was at fault? Insuramce sure did some investigation as did police. Not knowing the fact…

History is true, but the history anyone knows is selective, a mental model, often guessed or interpreted, and usually secondhand information.

Reality is true, but the reality anyone knows is selective, a mental model, often guessed or interpreted, and usually secondhand information.

Re: The past is not true

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Post by hef19898 »

ttonkytonk wrote: post #12
hef19898 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

History is absolutely true, factually true at that. Facts are sometimes hard to come by, heck some facks of modern history are still classified, but that does not give people carte blanche to make up stuff as they go... Like yeah, he was in an accident, media misreported it. Thing is so, how comes he, and the women, never knew who was at fault? Insuramce sure did some investigation as did police. Not knowing the fact…

History is true, but the history anyone knows is selective, a mental model, often guessed or interpreted, and usually secondhand information.

The worst historical accounts, if lookrd at without context, are first hand ones... Those are the most selective and subjective takes you can have.

Re: The past is not true

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Post by n6h6 »

benjaminwootton wrote: post #7

Would there not be some police investigation and possibly prison time if you recklessly caused such a serious accident? I’m not sure how this misunderstanding could occur for so many years.

Police aren't known for their investigation skills.

Re: The past is not true

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Post by astura »

benjaminwootton wrote: post #7

Would there not be some police investigation and possibly prison time if you recklessly caused such a serious accident? I’m not sure how this misunderstanding could occur for so many years.

No, even if you kill someone while driving, if you're not drunk and don't leave the scene then you don't get more than a traffic ticket.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/9bzdpv/you-can-kill-anyone-y...

Re: The past is not true

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Post by PcChip »

astura wrote: post #17
benjaminwootton wrote: post #7

Would there not be some police investigation and possibly prison time if you recklessly caused such a serious accident? I’m not sure how this misunderstanding could occur for so many years.

No, even if you kill someone while driving, if you're not drunk and don't leave the scene then you don't get more than a traffic ticket. https://www.vice.com/en/article/9bzdpv/you-can-kill-anyone-y...

Manslaughter is a traffic ticket these days?
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