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OpenStreetMap: Welcome Apple

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Re: OpenStreetMap: Welcome Apple

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Post by LaGrange »

sdoering wrote: post #7
sambeau wrote: post #2

"It’s also missing the necessary credit to OpenStreetMap’s contributors; we look forward to working with Apple to get that on there."

Why is that, that if Apple ignores credit/copyright (on a massive scale), that everybody loves their move. But if anybody would rip of an Apple product, the descendants of mighty Steve would come raining down with swords, axes and lawyers. Do you really think they did it, to support OSM. Or should I ask myself: "Where is the money?" The money, they do not have to pay Google anymore for the use of maps, while not cred…

I think the thing you might be witnessing here is what earthlings call "sarcasm," or maybe "a thinly veiled threat". I'm not entirely sure which one.

Re: OpenStreetMap: Welcome Apple

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Post by rmc »

simonecortesi wrote: post #9
Shank wrote: post #5

I thought someone compared the terrain with OSM and in certain locations it differs? Edit: They're apparently combining map data in some places.

Apple data is about one year old, this is the reason behind the spotted differences.

2 years old actually. Dated to about first week of April 2010 (based on "this road added on $DATE1 is there and the road added on $DATE2 isn't"). They are also using non-OSM data for the USA

Re: OpenStreetMap: Welcome Apple

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Post by cbs »

ticks wrote: post #10
sdoering wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is that, that if Apple ignores credit/copyright (on a massive scale), that everybody loves their move. But if anybody would rip of an Apple product, the descendants of mighty Steve would come raining down with swords, axes and lawyers. Do you really think they did it, to support OSM. Or should I ask myself: "Where is the money?" The money, they do not have to pay Google anymore for the use of maps, while not cred…

Better to approach these things positively, than assume the worst case and risk creating resentment.

It's idealistic naivete to assume the best of everyone. But you're right, pretending to does make it more comfortable to operate in the world.

Re: OpenStreetMap: Welcome Apple

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Post by dochtman »

randallsquared wrote: post #8
tseabrooks wrote: post #4

It feels a bit silly to fawn over map tiles... and I'll probably be accused of being an "Apple Fanboy"... But I'll be damned if those aren't some gorgeous tiles. Hopefully, this signals apple will move away from google for the built in maps app and provide something superior themselves with something comparable to the kick ass turn by turn in the current Android devices.

One of these is far nicer and clearer than the other: http://alastaira.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/image3.png http://alastaira.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/image4.png Apple's version comes up really lacking in comparison to the default OSM one, which I would call gorgeous, personally.

Meh. I love what OSM is doing, but IMO their tile style doesn't hold a candle to Google's (but then I dislike Apple's style here, as well).

Re: OpenStreetMap: Welcome Apple

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Post by ot »

sdoering wrote: post #7
sambeau wrote: post #2

"It’s also missing the necessary credit to OpenStreetMap’s contributors; we look forward to working with Apple to get that on there."

Why is that, that if Apple ignores credit/copyright (on a massive scale), that everybody loves their move. But if anybody would rip of an Apple product, the descendants of mighty Steve would come raining down with swords, axes and lawyers. Do you really think they did it, to support OSM. Or should I ask myself: "Where is the money?" The money, they do not have to pay Google anymore for the use of maps, while not cred…

> Why is that, that if Apple ignores credit/copyright (on a massive scale), that everybody loves their move.

It actually sounds very passive-aggressive to me.

Re: OpenStreetMap: Welcome Apple

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Post by sdoering »

sdoering wrote: post #7
sambeau wrote: post #2

"It’s also missing the necessary credit to OpenStreetMap’s contributors; we look forward to working with Apple to get that on there."

Why is that, that if Apple ignores credit/copyright (on a massive scale), that everybody loves their move. But if anybody would rip of an Apple product, the descendants of mighty Steve would come raining down with swords, axes and lawyers. Do you really think they did it, to support OSM. Or should I ask myself: "Where is the money?" The money, they do not have to pay Google anymore for the use of maps, while not cred…

Well I was just wondering, how many voices are raised in defending a coop, that is known for its love of details, but forgets to mention these tiny little humans, that gathered the data in the first place.

It seems to me, that the Apple-Folks in Cupertino knew exactly, what they were doing. Who would sue Apple in a case like this anyway?

Being from Germany, I have no idea, what the US-System would look like, but I believe, that suing Apple would mean, that every one of the contributors to OSM would have to sue on his/her own.

And who would do that?

Apple would calculate this. And even, if some people would walk this way, it might still be cheaper, than paying Google.

Just my two cents.

Re: OpenStreetMap: Welcome Apple

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Post by sdoering »

ot wrote: post #15
sdoering wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is that, that if Apple ignores credit/copyright (on a massive scale), that everybody loves their move. But if anybody would rip of an Apple product, the descendants of mighty Steve would come raining down with swords, axes and lawyers. Do you really think they did it, to support OSM. Or should I ask myself: "Where is the money?" The money, they do not have to pay Google anymore for the use of maps, while not cred…

> Why is that, that if Apple ignores credit/copyright (on a massive scale), that everybody loves their move. It actually sounds very passive-aggressive to me.

It is a mix of sarcasm and being feed up with big cooperations, screwing people who dedicate their own time, contributing to projects like OSM.

So it might sound passive/aggressive.

But wouldn't Apple be active/aggressive, if I would use their IP? Wouldn't they srew me for all I#m worth in court?

I really don't know, but I wouldn't want to find out...

Re: OpenStreetMap: Welcome Apple

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Post by ugh »

Then congratulations Apple, for making a not so great map even worse. I can't really judge map quality in the US, but in Germany it sucks. Cities show up twice or are missing completely, labels are often small, unreadable and ugly. There is no consistency in the placement of lables.

OSM has its fair share of inconsistencies but it's not that bad.

The map is ok for what it is: Just for presentation inside of iPhoto, not for browsing or finding your way. I really hope that Apple doesn't plan to use this anywhere else and hat they just didn't go with Google because they can't customize their maps any way they want.

(That missing credit is also shameful. I was looking everywhere inside of iPhoto but couldn't find it. Stuff like that sould at least be moderately easy to find.)

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