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India’s sex workers turn to WhatsApp, Instagram to find clients safely

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> When Dhokne’s friend lent her a smartphone to find work online, she didn’t know how to use it. “I had always used a black-and-white [feature phone],” the 35-year-old told Rest of World. Incredible to read so vividly about the digital divide. Glad there are organizations geared towards connecting people with more digital tools, lest them and their children get left behind.

In India, voice-based UIs are extremely important in the local app ecosystem, because of wide illiteracy in rural areas.

I've heard that too. Do you have an example of an app that has a particularly great VUI? Preferably something with a discovery component, not just executing commands.

Re: India’s sex workers turn to WhatsApp, Instagram to find clients safely

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> She could not meet her clients outside due to movement restrictions in her city Sangli, nor bring them home as she didn’t want her daughter to know she was a sex worker. It must be wild to have a sex worker as a parent. Maybe I’m getting older but there’s no way that’s a good environment to be raising a kid in. Like that adam22 guy, no way his daughter will turn out normal. Especially when they were using her for c…

Why, why would you say that? Parent leaves for work, parent comes home from work with income. Is it because sex work is dangerous? So is fishing, and pizza delivery, and construction. Is it because sex work wears down your body? Plenty of general contractors, nurses, and landscapers have jobs that are more physically demanding. I genuinely do not see how, if someone has a reasonable separation of work/home, it would…

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Re: India’s sex workers turn to WhatsApp, Instagram to find clients safely

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Why, why would you say that? Parent leaves for work, parent comes home from work with income. Is it because sex work is dangerous? So is fishing, and pizza delivery, and construction. Is it because sex work wears down your body? Plenty of general contractors, nurses, and landscapers have jobs that are more physically demanding. I genuinely do not see how, if someone has a reasonable separation of work/home, it would…

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In a strange twist, I wonder if the puritan attitudes increase the retail 'price' of sex work? Said attitude/laws increase risk, which lowers the number of workers in the market, which increases potential earnings of those willing to participate in the market.

The earnings for a streetwalker, who is at the bottom of the heap pretty much, is low. Some years ago I was offered sex for £15. I still feel sorry for that lonely lady who was just trying to get by best she could. I hope she's well.

As I moved across my country (US) I stopped at a hotel for the night. As I got out of my car in the hotel parking lot, an emaciated, twitchy, and frankly quite unattractive woman approached me and explicitly offered me her mouth to "release that road trip stress". I said no, thanks for the offer but I have to get some rest, sorry, maybe next time. Certainly not my first encounter with the hallowed and empowered sex worker caste, and my response was met with apparent grace. She moved along to the next family pulling up.

Between the time it took for me to check in to my $25+tax/night room and get back to my car to park closer to my assigned room, 3 of my 4 windows were smashed and 4 of my 6 Rubbermaid bins and suitcases full of personal belongings were gone. It was full daylight and there were many other people going in and out of the area. There were cameras. It was the middle of a built up suburban area that appeared nominally safe.

All I got from the hotel was a 20% discount for the night. All I got from the experience was an increase in multiple forms of prejudicial behavior that I still struggle with daily.

I also have a lot of... experience with the sex industry, from multiple angles.

I say this just as a anecdote, but my overall take is that people in this industry are not necessarily "just trying to get by". There are at least some participants whose primary goal is to harm others in some way for their own enjoyment -- on all sides.

Re: India’s sex workers turn to WhatsApp, Instagram to find clients safely

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Why, why would you say that? Parent leaves for work, parent comes home from work with income. Is it because sex work is dangerous? So is fishing, and pizza delivery, and construction. Is it because sex work wears down your body? Plenty of general contractors, nurses, and landscapers have jobs that are more physically demanding. I genuinely do not see how, if someone has a reasonable separation of work/home, it would…

> how it would present any more negativity than any other physical labor The mistake is characterizing sex work as "physical labor." There is a well documented link between sex work and trauma/psychological disorders.

How would you characterize sex work if not physical labor, together with a bunch of other characteristics too.

There is documented links between content moderation (and a bunch of other professions too) and trauma/psychological disorders. Hence these professions should be able to talk to psychiatrists freely, like any work that has a metal toll.

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And how many people are like that? You are basically discard most of the population

Independent, sane, and drug-free doesn't seem like that high of a bar to me.

A lot of people where work is tied to your healthcare are not independent. A lot others work so much it leave them no choice to not be sane after a while. And sometimes people can't afford the expensive tools needed to deal with lots of personal issues (tools like therapy) so they turn to the cheaper options, like drugs.

I don't think it's so shocking that not a lot of people would actually be above that bar.

Re: India’s sex workers turn to WhatsApp, Instagram to find clients safely

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As opposed to sex workers in other countries? This article has a “every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes” or “In Japanese culture, killing someone is frowned upon” vibe to it.

The article is in a "South Asia" category, the author seems to be based in New Delhi and all the people interviewed in the article are based in India.

Seems it would be irresponsible for the author to draw any conclusions about things outside of India when the focus of the article is in India. I don't think the article seems to claim that this doesn't happen elsewhere, but at least they've verified it is happening in India.

Re: India’s sex workers turn to WhatsApp, Instagram to find clients safely

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> how it would present any more negativity than any other physical labor The mistake is characterizing sex work as "physical labor." There is a well documented link between sex work and trauma/psychological disorders.

How would you characterize sex work if not physical labor, together with a bunch of other characteristics too. There is documented links between content moderation (and a bunch of other professions too) and trauma/psychological disorders. Hence these professions should be able to talk to psychiatrists freely, like any work that has a metal toll.

together with a bunch of other characteristics too

Re: India’s sex workers turn to WhatsApp, Instagram to find clients safely

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> She could not meet her clients outside due to movement restrictions in her city Sangli, nor bring them home as she didn’t want her daughter to know she was a sex worker. It must be wild to have a sex worker as a parent. Maybe I’m getting older but there’s no way that’s a good environment to be raising a kid in. Like that adam22 guy, no way his daughter will turn out normal. Especially when they were using her for c…

It's not just you. That's an abominable environment to raise a child in.

It would be more abominable to raise them on the streets. If it puts food on the table and a roof over their heads, who am I to judge?

I won't disregards the possible health, psychological and societal risks of doing sex work. But it is (or should be where it is forbidden) honest work like any other.

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