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Re: Beyond introvert vs. extrovert

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Despite claiming to have been one, you don't seem to understand what an introvert is. I'm a functional adult. I have a wife and kids, friends, and a good job. I can speak in public if needed, although I'd prefer not to. I don't have trouble meeting new people, talking to them, and getting to know them. I'm not shy, but I am an introvert. Being in crowds of people I'm expected to interact with on a personal level drai…

Yea there are many dimensions: Friends vs. family vs. strangers, individuals vs. groups vs. crowds, work context vs. fun context vs. shopping/errands context. Probably many more. After COVID I think there's probably an indoor vs. outdoor setting dimension! Different people respond differently across these dimensions. I particularly have trouble with: strangers + crowds + fun context. I think my nightmare is a crowded…

For me it's kind of the opposite. I'm a big introvert. I'm totally happy to spend all day quietly by myself. Just my wife coming home for the evening is more than enough social interaction for me. We sometimes go out with one friend for supper - I'm tired after that. And I HATE family gatherings outside just my immediate family and I dread work events. But I love concerts. Being anonymous in a crowd, and not having to interact with anyone on anything but the most superficial level, is totally fine with me, and feeling that wave of energy from the crowd but not having to answer it is great.

It's when I have to put the energy in to engage with people around me is when I'm pretty much immediately exhausted.

Re: Beyond introvert vs. extrovert

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People have different reasons for being reclusive. The social phobic, the agorapohbic, the autist, and the common but complete obscure schizotype (maybe you if you are self-diagnosed "autistic") are all examples.

Re: Beyond introvert vs. extrovert

#24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea there are many dimensions: Friends vs. family vs. strangers, individuals vs. groups vs. crowds, work context vs. fun context vs. shopping/errands context. Probably many more. After COVID I think there's probably an indoor vs. outdoor setting dimension! Different people respond differently across these dimensions. I particularly have trouble with: strangers + crowds + fun context. I think my nightmare is a crowded…

For me it's kind of the opposite. I'm a big introvert. I'm totally happy to spend all day quietly by myself. Just my wife coming home for the evening is more than enough social interaction for me. We sometimes go out with one friend for supper - I'm tired after that. And I HATE family gatherings outside just my immediate family and I dread work events. But I love concerts. Being anonymous in a crowd, and not having t…

A pro musician I know a bit once said the you never feel as alone as up on stage

Re: Beyond introvert vs. extrovert

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Great writeup and love your articulation of ambiverts.

I am an introvert--but now trained my mind to be a normal person and not fear people around me. I forced it earlier. If you meet me, you'll not find me an introvert, anymore. 10 years ago, people would politely ask me to talk or share.

It has been years of journey achieving that change.

I don't feel the introvert/extrovert quagmire anymore. However, if I'm in public meetings--presenting, chatting for more than a few hours--then I need to come back and take a hot shower--and fade away the people and conversations.

My wife calls that shower: "Removing the theater from the head."

Re: Beyond introvert vs. extrovert

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I never understand why people (especially in the US) have a desire to split everything into two opposing sides. Liberal/conservative, introvert/extrovert and many others. I think it's pretty obvious that most (all?) people are on a spectrum of many dimensions and can't be categorized that easily. These labels can give useful hints but there is way more detail to look at.

Re: Beyond introvert vs. extrovert

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I don't think the dichotomy is a bad rule of thumb to help understand someone, but it's certainly not their identity. I've come to find that it's down to the person's experience with and resulting preference for crowds and individuals. It's nurture, not nature. I used to be very introverted until I started living on my own as an adult and had shit to do and wanted things in life. I've also seen extroverts that mellow…

Despite claiming to have been one, you don't seem to understand what an introvert is. I'm a functional adult. I have a wife and kids, friends, and a good job. I can speak in public if needed, although I'd prefer not to. I don't have trouble meeting new people, talking to them, and getting to know them. I'm not shy, but I am an introvert. Being in crowds of people I'm expected to interact with on a personal level drai…

I agree with this.

Like, alone, one on one and small groups of 4-6 people are great. I have very enjoyable memories of lounging around with bands after a show, just hanging out, drinking something, shooting some shit about music and life. Our boardgame round is similar, 3-4 people, we have similar interests, we know each other. I very much value these rounds. You can focus on people, you can listen to them, speaking rights are respected. Sometimes there is also nothing to say and that's fine.

Crowds are also no issue. Find or form your bubble, or just be part of the faceless crowd. Or just drift around, bump into people, be part of a pit or another. It's wonderful.

But being forced to get to know 50 people over the next 20 minutes just a little bit? That's terrifying and I know I will shut down and flee from the situation. And if I don't, I won't remember anyone. And hell, in a more compatible environment, I remember people from concerts at a festival 2 years ago by face alone because we had fun and had a good time and talk without even knowing their name (and as I learned now, it's Pet, haha).

Re: Beyond introvert vs. extrovert

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post #25

Great writeup and love your articulation of ambiverts. I am an introvert--but now trained my mind to be a normal person and not fear people around me. I forced it earlier. If you meet me, you'll not find me an introvert, anymore. 10 years ago, people would politely ask me to talk or share. It has been years of journey achieving that change. I don't feel the introvert/extrovert quagmire anymore. However, if I'm in pub…

I am quite the same, we call this "social hangover".

Re: Beyond introvert vs. extrovert

#29
I see a fundamental misunderstanding, even among so-called profesionals, about what introvert vs extrovert actually means. I am an introvert but struggled with the traditional definitions. This article builds on and complicates these incorrect foundations.

Here's the simplest explanation that I have found: social interactions cost introverts energy. Extroverts gain energy from social interactions. When I heard this, it was liike a light bulb going off. It's not that I, as an introvert, didn't like people or exclusively preferred being alone. It's that too much social interaction is, quite literally, exhausting. That doesn't mean it's avoided at all cost or that social interaction can't be or isn't enjoyed.

If you've met a true extrovert you'll know this. For such people, social interaction really can resemble a high. It can be something they crave and they can crash from.

Larger groups are just more social interaction. It can be easier with known people (eg family gatherings) because the processing cost of the social interactions is less and there are fewer unknowns.

Re: Beyond introvert vs. extrovert

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The introvert/extrovert spectrum is an aspect of personality that seems to hold true across all cultures. Everywhere we've looked, there are some people that prefer to be by themselves more, and some people that prefer to be with other people more. The distribution of these people follow a standard bell curve. This is probably the single most well supported concept in the scientific literature on the topic of Personality Psychology. I'm dismayed that the author only made one reference in his blogpost -- a century old quote.

It's absolutely crazy that this exists across cultures and implies that the disposition is biological in nature. The term has its flaws, and its pop-psychology understanding is limiting. I do think the concept is pointing towards something universal about human psychology.

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