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NeetoCal, a calendly alternative, is a commodity and is priced accordingly

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Re: NeetoCal, a calendly alternative, is a commodity and is priced accordingly

#71
as a fellow bootstrapped founder, hats off to the NeetoCal team

I'm personally using Cal.com, it's free and I'm very happy. I'm also very biased because we interviewed the co-founder/co-ceo [1] and Cal.com uses our platform to reward its open source contributors [2]

what I love most about Cal is how young developers from around the world learn modern tech by contributing (and getting trained by the team) [3], support is crazy good [4] and the company builds in public, even their salaries and metrics are open [5]. I cannot not be a fan honestly

[1] https://youtu.be/gymNEH-skAY

[2] https://algora.io/org/cal

[3] https://github.com/calcom/cal.com/pulls

[4] https://discord.gg/NPDU8fhJ

[5] https://cal.com/open

Re: NeetoCal, a calendly alternative, is a commodity and is priced accordingly

#72

This is an interesting approach, but they’re awfully proud of themselves for charging 50% of what calendly charges. The biggest cost of a SaaS like this is the cost of sales…so if they can convince enough people with this tactic, it’ll work. But RabdomBugCo is paying Calendly $20k/mo to have an expensive account rep team answer their questions and $1k/mo for the technology.

I understand that our "Teams" plan has more functionality than neetoCal's paid plan but we do pay 16/20 USD (yearly/monthly) per month to Calendly. The savings would be significant. And the only reason we pay for their Teams plan is that "Round Robin" events are only supported there. I have zero loyalty to calendly because I feel they are too expensive and would switch to neetoCal in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, neeto…

I would be interested in chatting with you about the feature that is missing in neetoCal. Please email me at neeraj@bigbinary.com.

Re: NeetoCal, a calendly alternative, is a commodity and is priced accordingly

#73
post #40

Started reading then got presented with a huge popup overlay / ad telling me to subscribe to their blog. Closed the site. I did like what I started reading about not taking VC funding though - that is very refreshing.

We are using Substack for our blogs. Substack is asking you to subscribe. This is not something we control. You can click on "Continue reading" without providing your email.

Re: NeetoCal, a calendly alternative, is a commodity and is priced accordingly

#76

zcal is great, but is missing one (actually two) critical features that keeps us on calendly. This is the feature... the ability to create a meeting 'poll' with all the members on your team, including external people, and it automatically takes into consideration everyone's availability. https://help.calendly.com/hc/en-us/articles/223146447-Let-in... The second feature is that I tried to reach out to the zcal support…

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Re: NeetoCal, a calendly alternative, is a commodity and is priced accordingly

#77
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm part of the team that built neetoCal. Here is my take. I 100% agree that the switching cost from Calendly is pretty low. There is very little stickiness. I agree that Google/MS adding this feature to their calendar will wipe out a huge portion of the market. If we take this analogy that Google/MS can add feature X then it would be hard to build anything new. They are gaints and they can build anything. However be…

Have you considered flat pricing for lifetime access? You can easily calculate the likely value a subscriber is going to provide over lifetime with discounted cashflows. Then you can ask for that money upfront. Do you think that will be a differentiator?

At this stage of the business we don't think we can do a good job of calculating the life time value of a customer. So currently we are not considering lifetime access.

Re: NeetoCal, a calendly alternative, is a commodity and is priced accordingly

#78
Great to see the integrations (Stripe, Zoom, Google Meet, Google Calendar, Slack, Daily.co, and Microsoft Teams) [0].

In general, is there an "open" calendar-sync protocol? Would that be CalDAV (often paired with IMAP mail accounts in my experience)? (But then, would that typically require giving email credentials to the to-be-synced endpoint?)

One thing that sort of surprises me is that the appointment-scheduling apps seem to have such a practical dependency on Google, if one wants to facilitate syncing with arbitrary external calendars. I get that Calendly has tons of integrations, and Neeto has a useful selection, too. But say I want to sync with Fastmail, which does not have a specific integration with Calendly or Neeeto (but which does support CalDAV/IMAP). The answer is to to mutually sync through a Google Calendar. (I guess a generic "data workflow integrator"--Zapier, IFTTT, or custom code for APIs--might solve this, too, but only at the cost of some additional party and some additional complexity for a glue layer to set up and upon which to rely.)

- I love having a slick scheduling web page interface as a service. Cool. But why no "generic" sync (CalDAV/IMAP or something better I may not know about)? (It seems weird to not have a more direct-line scheduling approach--is it just me?)

- For example, I'd like to have no Google dependency, but use Calendly (or, Neeto, or another scheduling service). But even when I don't plan/need/want/intend to use Google, much less for scheduling, Google still finds its way into being the most convenient dependency! Wow!

This wasn't meant to be a rant, so, apologies if it reads that way. I get that building a SaaS, the first integrations will be the ones that >90% of the target probably uses. It's just slightly boggling to me, though, that there seems to be literally no open-tech solution in place. Since even the 500 lb gorillas seem to not have it, it's not just a matter of scale/time. Maybe just literally not enough people would use it, period, I guess. Or does one of the many competitors do this?

So-- what's going on? Why's calendar syncing kinda convoluted? (Some reading online tells a similar story for a big company's mail product requiring specific sync tools as of late; so I think the issue is not limited to purely-scheduling apps or smaller companies.)

Does this plight register with others? To me, if the product/service truly is a commodity, then that might imply having a corresponding "common" open/standard tech-integration component--no? I suspect something about security, or maybe lock-in, or market size, or maybe ruthless focus on schedule-making (new bookings on top of existing ones) over schedule-syncing, but I don't know enough about it. I would think this might be an area where one of the competitors might be able to stand out, for a niche within the niche.

I'd be happy to be schooled on this, if anyone's willing.

[0] https://www.neeto.com/neetocal/features/integrations

Re: NeetoCal, a calendly alternative, is a commodity and is priced accordingly

#79
post #39
post #17

Google Calendar recently improved appointment scheduling (including through a public page): https://workspace.google.com/resources/appointment-schedulin... Rough reminder for Calendly (and similar) that it's a feature, not a company.

Didn’t knew they offered this! We’re using cal dot com currently, but the amount of bugs is just insufferable for a basic tool like that. I cannot login into my account since 3 weeks now, because their 2FA is broken.

hey @ushakov, can you send me an email to peer@cal.com, can i look into your 2FA issue?

Re: NeetoCal, a calendly alternative, is a commodity and is priced accordingly

#80
post #71

as a fellow bootstrapped founder, hats off to the NeetoCal team I'm personally using Cal.com, it's free and I'm very happy. I'm also very biased because we interviewed the co-founder/co-ceo [1] and Cal.com uses our platform to reward its open source contributors [2] what I love most about Cal is how young developers from around the world learn modern tech by contributing (and getting trained by the team) [3], support…

aww thank you man! really means a lot to hear @zcesur
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