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Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by Shrezzing »

nineteen999 wrote: post #104
Shrezzing wrote: post #57

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I think Slack really dropped the ball in 2020, and that's ultimately why the inferior Teams and Zoom platforms have been able to solidify their market shares, and Discord was able to bastardise some of Slack's old market share. It took Slack nearly 2 years after the pandemic started to introduce features like Huddles - by which point, everyone who needed video conferencing software (which was basically every white-co…

> By mid-April was in a usable state. Do you mean April 2024 or 2025? Because the Teams I use on a regular daily basis is still unusable garbage. Granted it's better than February 2020, but it's still a train wreck of chats that don't work, calls dropped often, and files that won't attach to messages. Not that I am all that fond of Slack either.

I think Microsoft managed to get it to "functional garbage" in April 2020, as did Zoom. Both sucked, but the UI made enough sense that even your most antiquated & computer-illiterate colleagues, friends, & family could join a videocall from the isolation of their own home.

That was the real MVP for video conferencing software in the early pandemic, and Slack missed it by years.

Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by falsenapkin »

BenFranklin100 wrote: post #217
falsenapkin wrote: post #212

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I think the downvotes are unwarranted but I understand why people would disagree. Was SharePoint so bad before Teams? Is Teams that much better? I don't really know, my mega-corp work culture isn't "all in" and is not frankly that competent with a lot of tools so maybe we're missing out. But pre-teams we used SharePoint/OneDrive/WhateverBranding and it was fine. The big difference I've seen with document sharing is n…

It was much more difficult to use SharePoint, at least for us, as we were a small team and had no dedicated IT person. You could use SharePoint and OneNote, sure, but it wasn’t obvious how to create a group with all the docs/notes in one place. We had Teams up and running in a couple of days. Anyone now can create a SharePoint site through Teams. Super simple. MS has released a native app for Teams by the way. Perfor…

Yeah I agree it's more than chat/video I just don't see the need. And sorry I meant the native app for excel/word/powerpoint rather than the embedded versions in Teams. The embedded versions generally seem to be missing features or perform worse or get in the way of other Teams app use cases while using them.

Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by vxNsr »

techdragon wrote: post #172
jon-wood wrote: post #157

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Why would anyone not think that putting a document in a public channel would result in people who can join that channel having access to it? Isn't that the whole point?

Because the correct minimum set of people is those who are in the channel when it was shared to the channel… and most people aren’t thinking of possible future information leaks when sharing documents directly into a channel with specific people the document is intended for… The mismatch makes sense to programmers and IT types who have internalised the “computers are stupider than we make them look” way of thinking……

That’s a setting your IT teams chose to hide from you, our teams channels allow you to set what files are shared with someone who joins.

Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by dingi »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #129
nineteen999 wrote: post #104

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> By mid-April was in a usable state. Do you mean April 2024 or 2025? Because the Teams I use on a regular daily basis is still unusable garbage. Granted it's better than February 2020, but it's still a train wreck of chats that don't work, calls dropped often, and files that won't attach to messages. Not that I am all that fond of Slack either.

I must be an unique snowflake, because I switched jobs around March 2020, and the new place used Teams exclusively, and... it was good. Not stellar, but good for the standards of software in this decade. Better than Slack, anyway. There were some weird glitches happening couple times a year, but nothing major. So either I'm incredibly lucky, or - my going hypothesis - Teams actually does work quite well, if you deplo…

I have experienced the same as well. I've been using team (on Linux for Christs sake) for past 3 years. Never had any major issues. Everything continues to be working as expexted. I'm using the web app on Chrome as a pinned tab since they are going to kill the Linux teams client.

Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by marcosdumay »

Arathorn wrote: post #154
BarryMilo wrote: post #133

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Teams made me realize no one cares about security until it's too late.

too late being https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-st... ?

Apparently not. Is Solar Winds still a thing?

Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by midasuni »

nineteen999 wrote: post #104
Shrezzing wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Slack really dropped the ball in 2020, and that's ultimately why the inferior Teams and Zoom platforms have been able to solidify their market shares, and Discord was able to bastardise some of Slack's old market share. It took Slack nearly 2 years after the pandemic started to introduce features like Huddles - by which point, everyone who needed video conferencing software (which was basically every white-co…

> By mid-April was in a usable state. Do you mean April 2024 or 2025? Because the Teams I use on a regular daily basis is still unusable garbage. Granted it's better than February 2020, but it's still a train wreck of chats that don't work, calls dropped often, and files that won't attach to messages. Not that I am all that fond of Slack either.

The UX for teams is terrible compared with slack, but it pains me to say it, I find the video conference part better than zoom. I use the linux clients.

Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by jowea »

manuelabeledo wrote: post #202
eitland wrote: post #38

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Who else has been allowed to advertise on the front page of Google? None as far as I am aware of. Not even - again AFAIK - disaster relief after the biggest disasters we have seen after Google was founded. I'd argue that is quite clearly the same league as Microsoft pre-installing Media Player and Internet Explorer: taking advantage of a niche that they completely dominates and abusing it to wedge their way into anot…

Are you complaining about Google advertising its own products on their own websites?

If Microsoft could get in trouble for bundling its own product (IE) on its own OS (Windows) then IMHO this can in fact be seen as abusing monopolistic market power in the search market to benefit in the browser market.

Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by dmonitor »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #129
nineteen999 wrote: post #104

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> By mid-April was in a usable state. Do you mean April 2024 or 2025? Because the Teams I use on a regular daily basis is still unusable garbage. Granted it's better than February 2020, but it's still a train wreck of chats that don't work, calls dropped often, and files that won't attach to messages. Not that I am all that fond of Slack either.

I must be an unique snowflake, because I switched jobs around March 2020, and the new place used Teams exclusively, and... it was good. Not stellar, but good for the standards of software in this decade. Better than Slack, anyway. There were some weird glitches happening couple times a year, but nothing major. So either I'm incredibly lucky, or - my going hypothesis - Teams actually does work quite well, if you deplo…

looking at my teams interface right now. there are three separate "..." menus. Behind one of them is the settings, one is the installed apps, the third is to install more apps. Everyone involved in the decision making process that resulted in this UX should be banned from computers.

Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by kevincox »

Shrezzing wrote: post #57
_cenw wrote: post #36

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Saw the same pattern with 3 employers over the past 5 years. One killed Slack and all institutional knowledge in its search engine within a month. One replaced all remaining Intel Macs (not an insignificant amount) because Teams would being them to a standstill. The last one is currently happening and I'm wondering what unexpected cost will come to haunt this decision this time. Though one thing that always suffers i…

I think Slack really dropped the ball in 2020, and that's ultimately why the inferior Teams and Zoom platforms have been able to solidify their market shares, and Discord was able to bastardise some of Slack's old market share. It took Slack nearly 2 years after the pandemic started to introduce features like Huddles - by which point, everyone who needed video conferencing software (which was basically every white-co…

Slacks video calls and Huddles don't even work on Firefox. They are a joke.
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